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re: Are there actually people that believe Michael Jackson didnt mess with kids?

Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:59 pm to
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I just wonder how much money he paid out that we don't know about.

I don't think we'll ever know, but it's a fact that money was paid to accusers.
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There have been people stepping out since his death claiming this.

There have, and from what I've seen, they've gone nowhere. My only point is that there is more than just one accuser. There were several. A crime was never proven. I'm just not prepared to declare as a fact that MJ never molested any child.

And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:13 pm to
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I'm talking about the members of his own household staff who witnessed these things. The defense tried to play it up as them being disgruntled, but there were too many of them.


Too many? This easily could have been a case where they banded together for the sake of everyone getting a payday. And I don't doubt many of them may have believed he molested them for all the reasons listed in this thread.

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He paid a kid hush money years before and clearly had established a pattern of doing so ever since.


No idea where you gathered this and would be curious to read about it.

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Anyway, the fact that many kids weren't molested does not mean that no one was. That's stupid.
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Of course. The entire point is that many don't believe the one kid was molested. The entire situation around the father, his past, and his "truth serum" he administered to his own son to pull out a confession.

Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:16 pm to
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And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.



I don't think anyone would disagree with this. It's a peculiar case overall.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:17 pm to
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And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.


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I don't think anyone would disagree with this.

I disagree. I think you'd be surprised. There are many Michael Jackson fans that believe that it is absolutely acceptable to do so.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:20 pm to
I don't remember everything from the trial, but wasn't it said in the trial that the accusing dad knew about it and did nothing?

That makes no sense.
Posted by JodyPlauche
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:32 pm to
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wasn't it said in the trial that the accusing dad knew about it and did nothing?


No
Posted by holmesbr
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 4:01 pm to
The podcast Liar City did an episode on MJ and his accusers. I don't think he is a pedophile but he is weird AF. The show lays out the blackmail attempt and MJ's payment. I don't think he did it.
Posted by RosyFinchBOYZ
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 4:34 pm to
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He has chirrens who have his DNA. 


Chemical Castration doesn't generally make you sterile after you discontinue taking the drugs. He would still likely be fricked up from it though. Of course that could just be typical child star fricked up too. I'm not sure I entirely believe it, but it's fun to speculate.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 5:44 pm to
He didn’t molest anyone. Was some stuff inappropriate? Sure. But he was completely taken advantage of
Posted by lsuwontonwrap
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 5:44 pm to
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Are there actually people that believe Michael Jackson didnt mess with kids?


Eh. I don't know. Macaulay Culkin was on the Marc Maron podcast a year or so ago and he said he hung out with MJ pretty much all day every day as a kid and said he never saw anything weird. He said he was around all the time and if something was going down, he would have seen it. He also said that there were always so many people around nothing could have happened, even if someone wanted something to happen. Maybe he's kidding himself or just flat out lying, but I tend to believe him.

I think it was all a money grab on the part of the parents of those kids. I can't envision MJ being sexual with anyone, period. Kids, adults, anyone. He always seemed asexual to me.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:13 pm to
I actually believe it. I've seen zero evidence that he did, so there's that little technicality. And I think he was just a terribly messed up abused kid, his entire life.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:18 pm to
He had something terribly wrong with him, regular looking black guy on top of the world, then turned into a fricking horror show.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:42 pm to
No
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:46 pm to
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Or is it just the same auto-denial contingent that beieves OJ was innocent

I don't know if he's guilty or not but I've never been convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he' guilty.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:55 pm to
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Lots of folks don't believe it. Lots on here.

Blows my mind that they think it was normal to have sleep overs with kids

I think that's weird for sure. I wouldn't let my kid stay over. At minimum he had significant mental problems. But I need more than that to feel confident in saying that he did it for sure.

MJ is really an extraordinary case in that it's not completely unbelievable to me that he thought having sleepovers with kids was appropriate, considering everything else we know about him.

Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:05 pm to
I think his behavior with children was without a doubt inappropriate and creepy, but I don't believe that behavior was sexually motivated or that he was molesting little boys.

His ranch was raided by law enforcement but there was never any evidence to suggest. They tried to charge him with child porn based on a photography art book too, I believe. It was basically a witch hunt.





ETA

OJ is without a doubt a murderer. He's guilty af
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
15195 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:08 pm to
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Or is it just the same auto-denial contingent that beieves OJ was innocent


Same idiots that think the earth is flat and that we're alone in the universe.
Posted by EyeTwentyNole
Member since Mar 2015
4199 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:14 pm to
For the longest time I thought oh kids in the bed, yeah he did it without a doubt. But the more stuff I've watched about him and the interviews I think it's possible he was batshit crazy enough to have the mind of a 6 year old and simply want to have sleepovers.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65371 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:18 am to
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He paid a kid hush money years before and clearly had established a pattern of doing so ever since.


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No idea where you gathered this and would be curious to read about it.

Are you serious?

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