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re: Are there actually people that believe Michael Jackson didnt mess with kids?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:59 pm to Cdawg
Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:59 pm to Cdawg
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I just wonder how much money he paid out that we don't know about.
I don't think we'll ever know, but it's a fact that money was paid to accusers.
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There have been people stepping out since his death claiming this.
There have, and from what I've seen, they've gone nowhere. My only point is that there is more than just one accuser. There were several. A crime was never proven. I'm just not prepared to declare as a fact that MJ never molested any child.
And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:13 pm to blueboy
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I'm talking about the members of his own household staff who witnessed these things. The defense tried to play it up as them being disgruntled, but there were too many of them.
Too many? This easily could have been a case where they banded together for the sake of everyone getting a payday. And I don't doubt many of them may have believed he molested them for all the reasons listed in this thread.
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He paid a kid hush money years before and clearly had established a pattern of doing so ever since.
No idea where you gathered this and would be curious to read about it.
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Anyway, the fact that many kids weren't molested does not mean that no one was. That's stupid.
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Of course. The entire point is that many don't believe the one kid was molested. The entire situation around the father, his past, and his "truth serum" he administered to his own son to pull out a confession.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:16 pm to Festus
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And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.
I don't think anyone would disagree with this. It's a peculiar case overall.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:17 pm to cas4t
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And I do believe that in our society, a grown man sleeping in the same bed with children that are not his own, after a day at an amusement park, is considered inappropriate behavior. Assume nothing happened. I would not want my children sleeping in the bed of another grown man. Just him and the kids.
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I don't think anyone would disagree with this.
I disagree. I think you'd be surprised. There are many Michael Jackson fans that believe that it is absolutely acceptable to do so.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:20 pm to Festus
I don't remember everything from the trial, but wasn't it said in the trial that the accusing dad knew about it and did nothing?
That makes no sense.
That makes no sense.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:32 pm to cas4t
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wasn't it said in the trial that the accusing dad knew about it and did nothing?
No
Posted on 12/17/18 at 4:01 pm to JodyPlauche
The podcast Liar City did an episode on MJ and his accusers. I don't think he is a pedophile but he is weird AF. The show lays out the blackmail attempt and MJ's payment. I don't think he did it.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 4:34 pm to mikelbr
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He has chirrens who have his DNA.
Chemical Castration doesn't generally make you sterile after you discontinue taking the drugs. He would still likely be fricked up from it though. Of course that could just be typical child star fricked up too. I'm not sure I entirely believe it, but it's fun to speculate.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 5:44 pm to Festus
He didn’t molest anyone. Was some stuff inappropriate? Sure. But he was completely taken advantage of
Posted on 12/17/18 at 5:44 pm to Malefic Runt
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Are there actually people that believe Michael Jackson didnt mess with kids?
Eh. I don't know. Macaulay Culkin was on the Marc Maron podcast a year or so ago and he said he hung out with MJ pretty much all day every day as a kid and said he never saw anything weird. He said he was around all the time and if something was going down, he would have seen it. He also said that there were always so many people around nothing could have happened, even if someone wanted something to happen. Maybe he's kidding himself or just flat out lying, but I tend to believe him.
I think it was all a money grab on the part of the parents of those kids. I can't envision MJ being sexual with anyone, period. Kids, adults, anyone. He always seemed asexual to me.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:13 pm to Malefic Runt
I actually believe it. I've seen zero evidence that he did, so there's that little technicality. And I think he was just a terribly messed up abused kid, his entire life.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:18 pm to Malefic Runt
He had something terribly wrong with him, regular looking black guy on top of the world, then turned into a fricking horror show.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:46 pm to Malefic Runt
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Or is it just the same auto-denial contingent that beieves OJ was innocent
I don't know if he's guilty or not but I've never been convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he' guilty.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:55 pm to TigerMyth36
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Lots of folks don't believe it. Lots on here.
Blows my mind that they think it was normal to have sleep overs with kids
I think that's weird for sure. I wouldn't let my kid stay over. At minimum he had significant mental problems. But I need more than that to feel confident in saying that he did it for sure.
MJ is really an extraordinary case in that it's not completely unbelievable to me that he thought having sleepovers with kids was appropriate, considering everything else we know about him.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:05 pm to Malefic Runt
I think his behavior with children was without a doubt inappropriate and creepy, but I don't believe that behavior was sexually motivated or that he was molesting little boys.
His ranch was raided by law enforcement but there was never any evidence to suggest. They tried to charge him with child porn based on a photography art book too, I believe. It was basically a witch hunt.
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OJ is without a doubt a murderer. He's guilty af
His ranch was raided by law enforcement but there was never any evidence to suggest. They tried to charge him with child porn based on a photography art book too, I believe. It was basically a witch hunt.
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OJ is without a doubt a murderer. He's guilty af
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:08 pm to Malefic Runt
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Or is it just the same auto-denial contingent that beieves OJ was innocent
Same idiots that think the earth is flat and that we're alone in the universe.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:14 pm to Malefic Runt
For the longest time I thought oh kids in the bed, yeah he did it without a doubt. But the more stuff I've watched about him and the interviews I think it's possible he was batshit crazy enough to have the mind of a 6 year old and simply want to have sleepovers.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:18 am to cas4t
quote:Are you serious?
He paid a kid hush money years before and clearly had established a pattern of doing so ever since.
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No idea where you gathered this and would be curious to read about it.
Jackson settlement from 1993 allegations topped $20 million
Michael Jackson paid £134 million in payoffs to stop up to 20 sex abuse victims speaking out, say lawyers
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