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re: Are sprawling suburban apartment complexes a mistake?
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:54 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:54 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Yep. I know most my fellow conservatives won’t like this, but covid really accelerated our path to UBI.
Agreed. We've basically just tested out Universal Basic Income during this period with the $600 federal enhanced unemployment. People are already demanding that it be extended and kept until the pandemic is over. And then when the pandemic is over (I mean it already is over but when the media finally claims it to be over) they'll still want it to be continued.
If Biden and the Democrats get into office I truly think you will see them attempt to pass UBI. UBI I think was always coming but like you said I think Coronavirus pushed it up a good 10 - 20 years.
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Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:54 am to goofball
Poor people are like tires. They ain’t pretty, they don’t smell good but you gotta have em.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:56 am to BottomlandBrew
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I see you don't have any knowledge of urban design, economics, public infrastructure, ecology, sociology, politics, water management, education, and so on.
The desire to "cluster for safety" is antiquated, and a base level animal instinct.
you needed to cluster to have access to the king's guard so that your family wouldn't be raped and murder in the middle of the night.
You needer to cluster because there was no transportation before and you had to be near services and goods you could purchase, and as you said "jobs", especially if you didn't have the intellect to be able to raise animals and plant seeds on your own.
none of the reasons that force a million people to inhabit a tiny area still exist, and it shouldn't be humored.
create tax benefits for corporations and businesses especially those that don't need to be near populations (service based), to disperse as evenly as possible across the land. You can be happy in small towns....maybe not between 16-36 years old, but for a majority of your life
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:56 am to concrete_tiger
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Yes.
I have this dream where I win the lottery, and just snag up all the vacant land I can here, and put it into a conservation easement. So sick of high density crap in the burbs.
You are exactly right. I lived in a nice complex in metro ATL in the late 90s, and when I moved back here in 2008, that place is an absolute shitfest. The entire area around it went from nice retail like a ski shop, to wig shops and title loans. It had been sold, and re-sold since I left. No telling how many times.
So you lived in an apartment complex that met your needs as a young person without the income or maybe just the job or location stability at the time to buy a home.
And your dream is to win the lottery and buy up all the land so those complexes can no longer be built ?
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:57 am to goofball
Yes
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:59 am to Kujo
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The desire to "cluster for safety" is antiquated, and a base level animal instinct.
you needed to cluster to have access to the king's guard so that your family wouldn't be raped and murder in the middle of the night.
You needer to cluster because there was no transportation before and you had to be near services and goods you could purchase, and as you said "jobs", especially if you didn't have the intellect to be able to raise animals and plant seeds on your own.
none of the reasons that force a million people to inhabit a tiny area still exist, and it shouldn't be humored.
create tax benefits for corporations and businesses especially those that don't need to be near populations (service based), to disperse as evenly as possible across the land. You can be happy in small towns....maybe not between 16-36 years old, but for a majority of your life
Alright so who goes there first, the talented workforce or the corporation that needs them? Neither are there now. With all the tax breaks available, you cannot guarantee the workforce. That is why the corporation goes through great lengths to set up near the talent.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:00 am to concrete_tiger
Urban design is a catch-all term. It applies to urban, suburban, and rural areas.
Large-scale low-density is a terrible idea. It is a resource black hole. If everything were zoned to 1/2 acre single family, you're looking at a city expanding it's footprint on the order of a minimum of 10x land area. The amount of infrastructure needed to support that plus the reduction in arable and ecologically important land would collapse society with our current population numbers. That's not hyperbole.
Large-scale low-density is a terrible idea. It is a resource black hole. If everything were zoned to 1/2 acre single family, you're looking at a city expanding it's footprint on the order of a minimum of 10x land area. The amount of infrastructure needed to support that plus the reduction in arable and ecologically important land would collapse society with our current population numbers. That's not hyperbole.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:01 am to Kujo
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What's the actual problem? Are people actually homeless because there's no affordable place to live? I haven't seen this anywhere.
Bay area definitely.
Not saying that's the answer, but maybe more areas should use San Mateo county as an example. They fight everything, and are usually successful in keeping higher density housing out of their neighborhoods.
Their home prices have skyrocketed because existing homes command extremely high rental rates.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:03 am to dewster
Yes. Look at New Orleans East. Was great area in the 1970's. Now all section 8. 
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:05 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
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UBI I think was always coming but like you said I think Coronavirus pushed it up a good 10 - 20 years.
I don't know how we will ever pay for it. Yang's plan was going to cost about 60% of the entire federal budget
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:06 am to Dan
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So you lived in an apartment complex that met your needs as a young person without the income or maybe just the job or location stability at the time to buy a home.
And your dream is to win the lottery and buy up all the land so those complexes can no longer be built ?
I didn't live in the suburbs as a younger person. I am an advocate for zoning laws. You shouldn't be able to thrust a 400-unit complex on a 2-lane country road, for starters.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:07 am to Kujo
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you needed to cluster to have access to the king's guard so that your family wouldn't be raped and murder in the middle of the night.
You need clusters because it takes more money and resources to maintain low-density.
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You can be happy in small towns
Even small towns have density. Why do you think every small town has a main street?
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:10 am to lsu777
quote:Local government is in bed with developers and landlords. Section 8 is guaranteed rental income without chasing individual tenants to pay on time. Bad for the area but great for the good ole baws.
Local government should be able to mandate its not accepted if they so choose. That away they don't have these problems unless they choice to.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:11 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
I'm sure Trader Joe didn't suffer insult and ridicule with much resistance..
I'd bet that store's shrinkage on pork tenderloin and tri-tip was epic..
Sayonara!
I'd bet that store's shrinkage on pork tenderloin and tri-tip was epic..
Sayonara!
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:11 am to Dan
Professional, virtual. Make 100k in NYC(min wage), or do your POS accounting job from Arkansas for $90k
Services soon follow, as demand arises. mediocre talent sous chefs move there to fulfill their dream of opening a French vegan whatever.
it's like my mom who never leaves the house without packing food and water in her purse just in case the car breaks down. You will NEVER die of malnutrition if your car breaks down in the city you never leave
Services soon follow, as demand arises. mediocre talent sous chefs move there to fulfill their dream of opening a French vegan whatever.
it's like my mom who never leaves the house without packing food and water in her purse just in case the car breaks down. You will NEVER die of malnutrition if your car breaks down in the city you never leave
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:12 am to goofball
No, they are exactly what they are intended to be. Everyone has different sensibilities.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:13 am to BottomlandBrew
The reasons for the major clusters today are government benefits. Why be homeless in Ruston,LA getting $450 when you can be homeless in Los Angeles for $850? That's an extra $400 in drugs
This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 10:15 am
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:15 am to The Mick
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Local government is in bed with developers and landlords. Section 8 is guaranteed rental income without chasing individual tenants to pay on time. Bad for the area but great for the good ole baws.
Yep! And "local" government is run by people that can afford to take unpaid positions as mayor or council...ahem...developers. Amazing stuff seeing a mayor's name on project after project in a city.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:16 am to Kujo
Now I know you're trolling.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:17 am to BottomlandBrew
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Large-scale low-density is a terrible idea. It is a resource black hole. If everything were zoned to 1/2 acre single family, you're looking at a city expanding it's footprint on the order of a minimum of 10x land area.
Everything being on 1/2 acre lots is not going to work...but there are very nice single family neighborhoods on narrow 35'-45' wide lots. They usually require alley side garages, but you can fit more homes per square mile than 1/2 acre lots everywhere.
I know you guys hate on the Windy City, but the Chicago Bungalow is a way better form of affordable development than those massive apartment complexes. Many of them have apartments over the rear garage, so the overall density per square mile is probably comparable to areas with those newer apartment complexes.
I would argue that those neighborhoods packed with those narrow, longer bungalow homes in Chicago are more stable in the long term than the newer format of larger single family lots with nearby apartment complexes.
A lot of them are also walking distance to retail and employment.
This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 10:18 am
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