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UBI believers have been claiming it’s right around the corner for a decade now and that it is inevitable, but so far the robots haven’t taken over and nobody is any more willing to finance layabouts to sit at home to watch cartoons and smoke weed all day.

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We also never had (at least in our lifetimes) a "pandemic" that essentially cost a lot of Americans their jobs overnight and have pushed many Americans to the brink.

I think a lot of people underestimate just how much this "pandemic" is going to change everything. While I don't want to believe it I have a hard time seeing us ever going back to the old normal.

This "pandemic" is going to become an inflection point similar to 9/11. We talk about our lives pre-9/11 and post 9/11. We'll end up talking about our lives pre-Covid-19 and post Covid-19 as well.

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Might be unpopular opinion here but I think Andrew Yang's stance on UBI is correct.

However the completed timeline of his ideas are still at least 20-30 years away from becoming reality so it shouldn't be a pressing issue in an election until maybe 2032 IMO

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That's the reason I posted that I think the timeline could easily be pushed up 20 - 30 years. Andrew Yang's stance on UBI was before Coronavirus pushed many Americans to the brink.

Sadly I think after this there's going to be a much bigger appetite for UBI. People have now seen just how fast their jobs and their entirely livelihoods can go away.

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I suspect that with Social Security becoming less of a reality and as robots/AI take over more sectors of employment, UBI will become a bigger and more popular taking point with every future election.

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Especially with the Coronavirus and $15 minimum wage. The Coronavirus is going to wipe out what's left of brick and mortar outside of your megacorporations (Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot). Everything is going to be bought online. More online, less brick and mortar, less employees needed.

Same thing with restaurants. $15 minimum wage means touch screens are here to stay. That means no cashier needed to take your order. In all honesty though I think it goes deeper than that. With the Coronavirus I think you'll see a lot of fast food restaurants fundamentally change. I think many fast food places will go to Drive Thru Only or maybe Drive-Thru/Carryout. No inside dining area. Again by doing that, less employees needed.

The whole Coronavirus situation has shown that a large part of the population of our country could lose their employment overnight. I know, I was one of those who was affected. And my department was booming before all this happened. As people remember what happened during Coronavirus, as automation becomes more common and as Social Security fails you are going to see people screaming for UBI.

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Yep. I know most my fellow conservatives won’t like this, but covid really accelerated our path to UBI.

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Agreed. We've basically just tested out Universal Basic Income during this period with the $600 federal enhanced unemployment. People are already demanding that it be extended and kept until the pandemic is over. And then when the pandemic is over (I mean it already is over but when the media finally claims it to be over) they'll still want it to be continued.

If Biden and the Democrats get into office I truly think you will see them attempt to pass UBI. UBI I think was always coming but like you said I think Coronavirus pushed it up a good 10 - 20 years.

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... of course. How is this a even a question

Take the northshore for instance. People will say the people who work at the new strip mall box store areas need a place to live, I say those stores don’t need to be built

ETA- growth for the sake of growth is stupid.

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This is an interesting take and it does have some merit. One thing we know is that the Coronavirus had widened the gap between the haves and the have nots. That's why you are seeing increasing instability in the country. The haves during the Coronavirus were the ones able to do their job remotely and therefore were not laid off or furloughed. The have nots typically work in lower wage jobs that require an in person presence and can not be done remotely.

I do understand the necessity of affordable housing since, as a poster said, the people who work in restaurants, retail and other low wage jobs need a place to live. With that said, with the Coronavirus most likely being the final nail for brick and mortar retail, the haves will no longer need the have nots around to do those jobs. I know its been discussed here before but commercial real estate is going to be screwed.

You look at traditional retail, that's really dying out fast. People will just go to Amazon, Walmart.com, Target.com and do their ordering online. People will also be more likely to work from home. That means more cooking at home (or at least delivery) and less eating out. Less restaurants needed. I could even see some fast food restaurants converting to drive through/carry out only with no seating area.

We might actually get the point where the haves no longer need the have nots around for the lower wage jobs. At that point you will see even more segregation in our society. I have guessed during all of this that the suburbs will make a big comeback and the cities will be where the have nots are forced to live out of necessity.

Well technically if we go 1 - 15 we could probably beat out the Jets.

Here we go, how many games will be canceled now due to this? Luckily the Saints haven't played either team.