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re: Are public high schools measurably worse today than in the past?

Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:43 pm to
Posted by jdeval1
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:43 pm to
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I quit reading after you said Thomas Sowell

Just because his opinions don't fit your narrative doesn't make them less true. Sowell is brilliant
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:48 pm to
Go back to your safe space dipshit
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:48 pm to
I graduated in 1994 and think there write.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:53 pm to
Did he happen to mention that a higher rate of people took the SAT in 1993 than the 1960s? That for the most part those who took it in the 60s were college bound while those who took it in 1993 were loaded down with people who weren't.
Posted by SteveLSU35
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:03 pm to
I teach at a public high school. It’s an A school. High schools now are way better for the middle of the road kids, and high level kids will always excel. The opportunities for kids academically if they care is crazy now. Our school is not without normal high school problems..... cell phones are straight up the devil.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:19 pm to
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I teach at a public high school. It’s an A school. High schools now are way better for the middle of the road kids, and high level kids will always excel. The opportunities for kids academically if they care is crazy now. Our school is not without normal high school problems..... cell phones are straight up the devil.


This is all true for me as well except for cell phones. In short, between classes...turn a blind eye, after the bell - it’s time to handle business.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:22 pm to
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Did he happen to mention that a higher rate of people took the SAT in 1993 than the 1960s? That for the most part those who took it in the 60s were college bound while those who took it in 1993 were loaded down with people who weren't.


There is some truth to this. In Louisiana, ALL students must take the ACT. IIRC, in Texas, it’s the SAT that is taken. Seemingly as a result of this policy, both scores are down. Honestly, it’s just common sense that the results would trend this way.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:36 pm to
I find that for the “on level” students things are about where they have always been. The higher achievers now have better tools and technologies to aid in their education so I believe that they are exponentially better off. The Special Ed population...not so much. There are two reasons at play with this phenomenon imho:
-the number of SPED students has risen dramatically, especially students with autism.
-the standards have been lowered to the point where those that could learn actually don’t. This is especially prevalent where “behavioral disorders “ are concerned. They are virtually “untouchable “ from a disciplinary standpoint. This tends to include refusing to do the work in the lower grades. Obviously this means they are woefully unprepared for high school and/or the job market. I have a theory that MOST of the issues faced by our LEO are former (and/or current) students diagnosed with behavioral disorders. The difference is, cops have a totally different set of rules to go by...hence the issues that make the headlines today.

Until SPED is cleaned up, public education will continue to have major issues imho.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:37 pm to
In my areaarea.
I went to the only public high school in the city.thankfully we will have a magnet HS by the time I have HS kids.
Posted by Bullseye
Madisonville
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:38 pm to
LMAO......
Posted by Halftrack
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:10 pm to
In the South they clearly are.
Posted by shutterspeed
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:38 pm to
I don't know about high schools, but what students have to learn at the elementary level now is just incredible. Used to be things that were included as part of the high school curriculum, and that's not hyperbole.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:01 pm to
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I quit reading after you said Thomas Sowell...


Doesn't surprise me
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:03 pm to
Depends. Do you like to frick your teachers?
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:12 pm to
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For sure in Louisiana. There's a reason for an abundance of private institutions.

It's kind of a "what's the cause and what's the effect?" question.

I think Louisiana has always had a higher proportion of religious (ie: predominantly Catholic) schools than most of the country. Especially at the elementary level. Then with the advent of integration, a lot of people put their kids in private schools, even in high schools. Some private schools were built specifically for that purpose. By doing so, they ceded the public schools to those who just couldn't afford private education for their children.

Now it's kind of vicious cycle. A lot of the public schools have a bad rep so people send their kids to privates. And because people with means send there kids to private, the public schools tend to be more of a lower socio-economic level student body.
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:14 pm to
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I quit reading after you said Thomas Sowell...


Do you make it a habit of refusing to read the thoughts of people who are much smarter than you?
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:43 pm to
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In Louisiana, ALL students must take the ACT.


Is this correct? Every dumbass with a D average who aspires to be a lawnmower’s helper has to take the ACT?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:45 am to
That is my understanding (minus the severe/profound SPED population). IIRC, it only cost our state 140 million per year - give or take.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:53 am to
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I quit reading after you said Thomas Sowell...


That tells me all I need to know about you.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:55 am to
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Are public high schools measurably worse today than in the past?


Let's see... no metal detectors or rules about clear backpacks vs. metal detectors today in many schools and rules about students having clear backpacks/containers.

That should tell you all you need to know.
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