re: Are food banks "enablers" of drug addicts??

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Are food banks "enablers" of drug addicts??

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No, everyone has to eat. If being homeless isn't enough of a deterrent for someone to get help for a drug addiction, you think limiting access to a food bank will?

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I am told the only way to really get an addict to reform is make them stand completely on their own

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The only way an addict will get sober is if they want to, pretty much every addict will need some help from others a long the way to get sober.

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I have traditionally contributed to my local food bank but if feeding these drug addicts is keeping them from taking care to themselves on their own am I doing the right thing?

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You aren't going to continue to help hungry people because some of them may have drug problems? How sheltered are you?

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He’s an autistic pure “conservative”

People like him are insufferable

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He clearly thinks he has it all figured out

The loaves and fishes story

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My father threw my sister out of the house when she was 16. She remained a drug addict until she was 28. Then, by the grace of God, she got clean, is happily married, and is now the mother of a beautiful 24 year old daughter and living in San Antonio. See My first reply. I don’t think anything will help the true addict till they decide its time to change their ways.

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pics or it isn't true

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How does anyone other than an absolute druggie do without food given the vast welfare available to the poor?

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You have to realize that in modern society there is somewhat of an in between class

People that are not considered poor enough by the government do qualify for any assistance that legitimately struggle to provide for their family

Call it the lower rung of the middle class if you must but these people exist

I know because I've met them

For instance, I just looked on the SNAP website for Texas eligibility. If you're a single mom with 2 kids that would mean that you are not eligible for any assistance at income levels above $2,933 a month

That's not an income that can easily support a mother and 2 children. Once you take out FICA taxes, rent, utilities, vehicle costs including fuel and insurance, and other necessities like clothing, cleaning supplies etc. you're not left with much.

In fact I'd bet very few people here could adjust their lives to that budget without a lot of prior planning.

Food banks are tools for crime control.

People on welfare would steal/rob. People who refuse to work in this economy are helpless and wouldn't work if faced with starvation.

You basically pay a "dont rob me" tax.

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I couldn’t live on that much by myself

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I couldn't either

Unless I sold my house and took the windfall from the purchase and moved into a small apartment

I don't know how "clearly" a series of questions indicates I think I have something figured out.

Here is another--how much should a family sacrifice for an addict in the family? Should they throw them out or feed and house them off the income of the rest of the family?

I know a man 60 years old living off of his 85 year old mother. He is an addict and out of work. He literally will spend any money that comes his way on dope. Should a food bank help him save money on food to spend on dope?

Just asking not taking a position.

Is the Salvation Army wrong to expect clients to take some responsibility??

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LENGTH OF RESIDENCE

? The Salvation Army offers emergency shelter. Each client is permitted a length of stay not to
exceed 30 days from initial check in. Within the first seven days of staying in the shelter, the resident must meet with the Residential Services Manager for an extension. If a resident vacates the Shelter within those 30 days, they may not return for additional shelter without seeing a Residential Services Manager. Only one 30 day residence within a one year period (Program Year = October-September) will be allowed.

? Only under permitted circumstances are Emergency Shelter residents allowed an overnight pass. Circumstances such as funerals for immediate family members, court appearances in a different city or other circumstances may be granted permission. Documentation of the circumstance must
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be presented to the Residential Services Manager before and after leaving the shelter. Failure to produce supportive documentation may not allow re-entry into the Emergency Shelter.

CASE MANAGEMENT

? Each resident is required to meet with the Residential Services Manager as soon as possible but no longer than 7 days. Resident may be granted up to 30 days in Emergency Shelter.

? For every 30 day stay in the shelter, we ask that each resident fill out a survey to help the Salvation Army measure outcomes on helping people meet their goals and improve their lives.

? Each resident will complete the client intake form. This will help determine any needs the Residential Services Manager is able to assist with or make appropriate referrals. Residents may set goals to help pursue self-sufficiency. Residential Services Manager will assist resident in achieving these goals.

? Each resident must meet with the Residential Services Manager on a weekly or bi weekly basis. If the client is not working, they must meet on a weekly basis. If the client is working, they may meet every two weeks. This will be determined by the Residential Services Manager. Drop in appointments are discouraged. Each appointment must be made with the receptionist after each kept appointment.

? If resident is not working, they must complete and turn in a job search form for every day they are unemployed. The job search form has 4 job searches. This is the minimum amount of jobs allowed to be turned in per day. Job search forms may be turned into the monitor on duty. The monitor will place in the Residential Service Manager’s box. Monitors may give the resident more job search forms.

? If the resident is working, they must turn in a copy of their work schedule, a copy of most recent pay stub and agree to start up a savings account.

? If the resident is on disability or applying for disability, then the resident and the Residential Services Manager must come to an agreement on the terms for staying in shelter. If the resident is on disability, the most recent award letter must be turned in and will be placed in the residents file. The resident must begin a savings account.

? Each bed in the Shelter is assigned a chore. It is the resident’s responsibility to look to see which chore is assigned to their bed. The chores are posted in each dorm room, by the bathrooms, the laundry rooms and behind each dorm in the family rooms. Each chore must be completed on a daily basis.

? Failure to follow the rules mentioned above could result in dismissal or written violations. Three written violations will result in dismissal.

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They do an outstanding job and know more than I about dealing with these problems. Looks like they will put em on the street if they don't follow the rules. Should families be like that too??

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am told the only way to really get an addict to reform is make them stand completely on their own.

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Don't think that is true, so the rest of your post is meaningless.

Agreed. I think Narcan should be illegal.