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re: Apparently, there are now more job vacancies than unemployed people - do you believe this?

Posted on 6/7/18 at 8:27 am to
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 8:27 am to
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Have you given any thought to training people that are 75% qualified with a little experience,


Again, people don’t want to work.

It’s not as easy as you make it sound. You’d think you would be able to find qualified licensed people to work a 14/4 28/14 30/30 schedule for $150-$600 a day but they either are too lazy or can’t pass a drug test.
Posted by Hammertime
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:07 am to
When you work with less educated, manual labor workers, you're gonna get that. They do drugs. They get drunk. They make excuses for being late or missing work. It's the nature of the beast.

I've dealt with it, and know that you just have to factor that into your business plan. Always have other guys on the back burner.

For skilled labor, there are people willing to work, but employers with unrealistic qualifications for the pay, and also unwilling to invest the time/money to train
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74887 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:29 am to
Not enough skilled employees.
The huge failure of the department of education, was that for it's existence it's pushed a "college track" curriculum.
Long ago separate trade high schools should have been established.

Fabricators, welders, ac repair, auto mechanics, electronics repair. A lot of recession proof jobs. Yet all need long training.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:39 am to
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The huge failure of the department of education, was that for it's existence it's pushed a "college track" curriculum.
Long ago separate trade high schools should have been established.

Fabricators, welders, ac repair, auto mechanics, electronics repair. A lot of recession proof jobs. Yet all need long training.



This has been recently changing. Our district has had a huge focus for about 4 years for College and Career Readiness Program. The systems are in place assuming that the Boards of Ed care enough to proceed with the direction.

I can give more details if anyone is interested.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:05 am to
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Fabricators, welders
These guys get paid pretty well, but to be at the top, you either have to continually travel, or build a reputation and go out on your own
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auto mechanics
Now, this is basically plugging a scan tool into the car, and it tells you what to do. If it doesn't, the shop manuals will. Not much thought process, and not many shops have a need for multiple ASE guys
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electronics repair
Electronics are disposable nowadays. Most of the repair shops have closed


Yeah, there are some things that will always be needed. That list is constantly shrinking though. Trade schools and community colleges should be handling them, but people who do those things are still looked down upon. LA offered free trade classes for a while after Katrina, but I don't think many people knew about, or took advantage of them
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:07 am to
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They do drugs. They get drunk. They make excuses for being late or missing work. It's the nature of the beast.


Do you attribute The aforementioned things to be the reason why blue collar work is stigmatized?
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
11364 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:15 am to
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$15 per hour - or more.

There is no excuse for not having a $15 per hour minimum wage.




Minimum wage jobs are not designed to be "living wage" jobs. These are entry level positions, part time positions, and temporary work for students and other young people just entering the work force.

Anyone who aspires to raise a family on a McDonald's fry cook salary has no business procreating. They clearly have no common sense or grasp of reality.

One of the problems is that kids don't work anymore. I started my first job at 15 working at the Space Shuttle arcade at the front of Biltmore in Central over the summer. I knew it was a job to make some summer money, and only that. I had zero expectations of making a living working there. By the way, to show my age, minimum wage was $3.35/hour. When school started, I quit and went back to highschool. That pattern continued until I got a license and a car, then I got an after school job.

I repeated this all the way through college. School, work, study, sleep, repeat. As I gained work experience and skills, my wage increased. But I still knew these jobs weren't careers. They were part of me growing as a person, learning how to be an employee, learning how to budget, and making gas and beer money.

Nowadays kids just go to school, after school activities like sports, dance, gymnastics, whatever, all the way through college. With mom and dad paying the way, or junior racking up a mountain of student loan debt.

Then they step out in to the workforce as a college graduate, with zero experience. And expect to get a 6 figure job.

Then there's the other model. Stumble through highschool barely passing, doing nothing after school but fricking off and getting high. Graduate from high school or get a GED, then pull your head off the bong or the XBOX and realize you need money. So, you get the only job your qualified for, a minimum wage one, and think, OK, I'm set. Time to get to living. Even worse, you get knocked up or knock someone up and think, yeah, this Starbucks barista job will allow me to raise a family.


Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:18 am to
Not particularly. The main reason, IMHO, is that they usually don't go to college, so people think they're too stupid for college
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:24 am to
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Do you attribute The aforementioned things to be the reason why blue collar work is stigmatized?


No. Blue collar work is stigmatized by newly arrived upper middle class people who are still insecure. Mainly young people who never have had to engage in actual hard work and don't understand the value of it.



Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53816 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:36 am to
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Minimum wage jobs are not designed to be "living wage" jobs. These are entry level positions, part time positions, and temporary work for students and other young people just entering the work force. 

Absolutely correct.

I made minimum wage at 16 - $4.25 per hr at the time - for all of 5-6 months as a stock boy and cart retriever at Winn Dixie in Central. Being reliable and showing up on time and doing a decent job will get you well above minimum wage in a short period of time.
Posted by kjp811
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2017
1131 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:49 am to
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“Manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back”...O


Manufacturing is a shell of itself from it's peak
Posted by kjp811
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2017
1131 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:54 am to
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Yes. My employer has had at least 15-20 positions unfilled for a year.

We will basically take anyone who applies for some of them at this point.


What positions need filled?
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