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Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:54 am to Epic Cajun
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Wouldn't a 30mm round do the trick?
All I'm saying is that there are more cost effective ways to eliminate enemies.
Dude I've shot dozens of Hellfires in my lifetime sometimes at singular individuals. Never once did cost of the missile ever go through my head. You pick the munition thay will do the job. If you want pinpoint accuracy you chose a hellfire. If you want an area weapon you chose 30mm.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:57 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
I'm not blaming the operator on the Apache at all. My comment was aimed at a higher level.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:01 pm to Da Sheik
That's WWII footage. Against the Germans.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:02 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Think about how much the US spends on maintaining a large force on the opposite side of the planet. Think of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent just to maintain a presence there. So if we're there, and we're already spending hundreds of billions of dollars, I think we can spare $70,000 to get one step closer to accomplishing the mission.
Wouldn't a 30mm round do the trick?
All I'm saying is that there are more cost effective ways to eliminate enemies.
The people that advocate for using 70k missiles to eliminate one person are the same people who wonder why our country is in debt.
Time for a sports analogy. If you spend $1000 on a ticket to the Super Bowl, $400 on the flight, and $600 on the hotel, are you telling me you wouldn't spend $6 on a hotdog if you got hungry, just because that's expensive for a hotdog? frick that, buy the hotdog.
This analogy isn't even that good because a single hellfire costs waaaaaaay less than 0.003% ($6/$2006) of the war in Afghanistan.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:10 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:The Hellfire needs a larger warhead. There's a video on YouTube I've seen a couple times of an Apache launching a Hellfire at a Toyota pickup in Afganistan. Great and clear close up gun camera footage. There was about 3 or 4 goat humpers in the bed of the truck, and the missile hits the truck square on the hood.
OleWarSkuleAlum
Boom! Three Hadjis jump out the back of the truck and take off running! One is limping seriously, but the other two look unscathed. They take cover behind a wall next to a building and make it into the building I think. The choppers fires some 30mm at them.
Great video, but if you're in the back of a truck that's struck dead center on the hood, no one should survive.
Your thought?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:12 pm to Da Sheik
These are always awesome
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:13 pm to Da Sheik
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Apache gunship takes out a whole Hadji platoon
This video will make liberals upset.
But who cares.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:15 pm to Hog on the Hill
This would be a valid argument if I didn't think that the majority of the overseas spending was a waste 
Here's a sports analogy for you. You spend $1000 on a ticket to the WNBA Finals, $400 on a plane ticket, and $600 on a hotel room. You spend $6 on a hotdog while at the game. Does the stupid purchase of your hotdog make the stupid purchase of the WNBA tickets better?
Here's a sports analogy for you. You spend $1000 on a ticket to the WNBA Finals, $400 on a plane ticket, and $600 on a hotel room. You spend $6 on a hotdog while at the game. Does the stupid purchase of your hotdog make the stupid purchase of the WNBA tickets better?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:24 pm to bhtigerfan
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Your thought?
I haven't seen the particular video that you are referencing, but there are a number of reasons why this would happen. This is straight from the gunnery manual...
quote:
Generally, the vast majority of fragments leave a cylindrically shaped warhead at nearly 90-degrees to the warhead’s long axis. If the warhead were to strike the target vertically (straight down), the resulting fragment spray would be quite efficient. However, munitions employed during air to surface fires impact at angles between 10 and 85 degrees. These impact angles significantly affect fragmentation patterns. These patterns are further modified by the weapon’s forward velocity at impact. From an overhead view, the fragment pattern is basically described as having a butterfly or bow-tie shape
So depending on the technique they used to fire the missile along with various other environmental factors this can happen.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:36 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Thanks. If I come across the video again, I'll post it for you.
And thanks for you service bro.
And thanks for you service bro.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:37 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
I was honestly surprised to see the hit at 2:53. Hadji took the 30 mike mike right in the pie-hole and didn't vaporize.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:38 pm to bhtigerfan
Also... It's a Toyota.
It's probably been fixed and is now roaming the desert again.
It's probably been fixed and is now roaming the desert again.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:40 pm to NWarty
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I was honestly surprised to see the hit at 2:53. Hadji took the 30 mike mike right in the pie-hole and didn't vaporize.
I went and watched the clip you are talking about. Who knows maybe was a dud. It definitely hit him dead on though and something hot came flying off.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:51 pm to Da Sheik
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:55 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:I think it was his foot from what I saw.
definitely hit him dead on though and something hot came flying off.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:00 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Who knows maybe was a dud.
Was my first thought that the fuse didn't function. I shot a Lot (for those of you who don't know, a "Lot" is a manufactured grouping of ammo sorted by date/time group/weight, all of which have small deviations) of HE that was full of bad fuses. Pulled them after the third "round unobserved" from the FO. My butt was puckered as I was the BTRY CDR at the time and firing incidents aren't very fun to deal with
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:49 pm to Da Sheik
That kind of bothers me they they were double tapping.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:19 pm to slackster
Slackster, you know your shite..
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:39 pm to alajones
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That kind of bothers me they they were double tapping.
Wait...you work on the Flying-fricking-Castle-of-Doom? Please tell me your avatar of you standing on the wing of a Hog is a joke considering that airframe spits 30mm darts of "Depleted-Uranium-frick-You" at human flesh like a goddamned lightning bolt. Maybe you should ask your pilots to replay their audio of JTACs in contact and ask if they're being too nice.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 5:50 pm
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