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re: Apache gunship takes out a whole Hadji platoon

Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:37 am to
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:37 am to
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How high do you think that apache is circling?


It's in the video from the clip I watched they were about 1000AGL. which is pretty standard TTP we would fly E1 and 1000AGL whatever block MSL that corresponds to.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:37 am to
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If cold sand, it'd be fairly obvious on thermal pretty fast.



I mean, the dead folk aren't getting cold right away. The bodies still give heat signature.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:38 am to
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Yeah FLIR camera is not boresighted IIRC.


The FLIR, DTV, and LRFD are all boresighted together.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27026 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:39 am to
quote:

It's in the video from the clip I watched they were about 1000AGL. which is pretty standard TTP we would fly E1 and 1000AGL whatever block MSL that corresponds to.


Simmer down and speak English jackass.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15401 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:39 am to
What does AGL, TTP, and MSL stand for?
Posted by Yaboylaroy
Member since Mar 2010
1834 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:40 am to
Which one of you fricking terrorist downvoted this?
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:40 am to
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Considering it's been quite some time since the Taliban was outfitted with tanks, is there any chance the helos are outfitted with some slightly less armor piercing rocket?


We have lots of Rockets but I'm assuming you are speaking about Hellfires. We have several versions such as K2A which has a blast fragmentation sleeve designed for personnel and a N which is a thermobaric round to defeat bunkers, buildings, and caves.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51811 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:41 am to
Thanks for breaking this down for us dumbasses Ole War.

Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
10999 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:41 am to
I couldn't click the link. Was it gunships or helicopters?
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:42 am to
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The whole time I'm watching it, I'm thinking I would just lay down next to a shredded corpse and play dead.


Depends on how long the corpse has been dead. Dead bodies cool down pretty rapidly. We arent shy with our rate of fire. If we even had a thought that an insurgent was "maneuvering to a position of advantage" we would give him another 10 round burst at a minimum.
Posted by LSUvegasbombed
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2013
15464 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:43 am to
the kill shot in the 7-8 minute mark was awesome

that bomb dropped straight on top that dude
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:44 am to
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What does AGL, TTP, and MSL stand for?


AGL is above ground level
TTP is techniques, tactics, procedures
MSL is mean sea level
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15401 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:45 am to
I was just telling my wife the other day that my AGL was way to low and that I really needed to adjust my TTP. Thank God my MSL is all good!!!
Posted by Dawggoneit
Member since Feb 2016
43 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:48 am to
Fawking love it! Slay those camel jockey terrorists.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64843 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:49 am to
What sort of targeting system does the Apache have for gun engagements? On the Abrams we had the ballistic computer that took our movement, target movement, crosswind, atmospheric pressure, and type of ammo into consideration for a ballistics solution. We also "lazed" our targets to lock the ballistics computer onto the target. Is the Apche's fire control system similar?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 9:50 am
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:50 am to
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the kill shot in the 7-8 minute mark was awesome

that bomb dropped straight on top that dude


The missile was well placed knowing the butterfly fragmentation pattern of the warhead. It actually landed about 5m behind the guy. I have a few hellfire shots like that but the majority of my engagements where in the rocky mountains of RC-E where the 30mm is much more effective.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:54 am to
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What sort of targeting system does the Apache have for gun engagements? On the Abrams we had the ballistic computer that took our movement, target movement, crosswind, atmospheric pressure, and type of ammo into consideration for a ballistics solution. We also "lazed" our targets to lock the ballistics computer onto the target. Is the Apche's fire control system similar?


We have a laser range finder designator (LRFD) that puts out codes just like an A-10 etc. The weapons processor is continually analyzing the data being presented to it from all the systems including atmospheric data. It computes a solution prior to us firing. In simplified terms although our sight doesn't move the gun can offset to whatever angle is needed to get the rounds on target transparent to us. We don't need to laser however to get the ballistic solution from the weapons processor.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64843 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:59 am to
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We have a laser range finder designator (LRFD) that puts out codes just like an A-10 etc. The weapons processor is continually analyzing the data being presented to it from all the systems including atmospheric data. It computes a solution prior to us firing. In simplified terms although our sight doesn't move the gun can offset to whatever angle is needed to get the rounds on target transparent to us. We don't need to laser however to get the ballistic solution from the weapons processor


Gotcha. I wasn't sure if y'all had a laser rangefinder similar to ours or not. Basically the way ours worked was you put the reticle right where you wanted your round to go, laze the target, and fire. No super-elevation or leading the target, even if it was moving. Wherever that reticle was when you hit the laze button is where the round would go. As long as you had properly bore sighed your gun, it was virtually impossible to miss.

ETA: I may be thinking wrong here but didn't the Apache use to have the same 25mm that's mounted on the M2 Bradley?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 10:02 am
Posted by NWarty
Somewhere in the PNW
Member since Sep 2013
2181 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:05 am to
I remember the first Apache video that came out from Iraq with the three guys, RPG and truck.

First 30mm shots missed and the gunner said something about "going to auto-range". Dumb question OleSkule, but I take it that it that there's a alternate/tertiary system backing up the main ballistic computer that computes for drop/crosswind/etc. at ranges exceeding X-amount of km?


Always fun to see Apache flying over my house since they sound so different from Kiowa-D's and Blackhawks. Even quieter than the new Lakotas. Blue Thunder whisper mode and all that
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18779 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:12 am to
Hey let me hide behind this hill DOH
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