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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:52 pm to BRgetthenet
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:52 pm to BRgetthenet
quote:There were not. If you exclude 2020 after March for obvious reasons, school shootings, deaths, and injuries happened at almost exactly the same rate under Trump and Biden.
There were a lot less of these with the previous administration in D.C.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:54 pm to BilJ
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The guy who posted that can’t even back up the timeline of that video. You believe what you want to believe bronco, you generally can’t handle people that don’t agree with you on a pelicans basketball forum so I’m not even going to bother on this
Between this bronc dude and whatiknowsofar I’m a little wary of pelican fans
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:55 pm to Bronc
I’m trying to avoid rushing to judgement.
There’s no time stamp on the video. There’s screaming, crying, and chaos, as expected. Are police trying to secure the area? Are there already police in the building? I don’t hear gunshots in the video. It doesn’t mean there aren’t any, but the video doesn’t prove much of anything except there was LEO outside trying to keep people out of what may have been an active crime scene.
IF cops let parents rush in to an active shooter situation, and the death toll increased because unarmed civilians strolled into the path of an AR, you’d have people complaining that cops didn’t maintain any order outside.
Nobody wins here…nobody. I’m just trying to play devil’s advocate to this posting of a video that doesn’t answer many questions.
There’s no time stamp on the video. There’s screaming, crying, and chaos, as expected. Are police trying to secure the area? Are there already police in the building? I don’t hear gunshots in the video. It doesn’t mean there aren’t any, but the video doesn’t prove much of anything except there was LEO outside trying to keep people out of what may have been an active crime scene.
IF cops let parents rush in to an active shooter situation, and the death toll increased because unarmed civilians strolled into the path of an AR, you’d have people complaining that cops didn’t maintain any order outside.
Nobody wins here…nobody. I’m just trying to play devil’s advocate to this posting of a video that doesn’t answer many questions.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:56 pm to The Egg
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what in the world is this shite
You have a clear pic of the cops ready to tase civilians who dare try to protect their kids while the guy is in the middle of his murder spree.
We really don't know why, but we do know they had nonlethal weapons pointed in the opposite direction of the shooter.
Id honestly write all that off to protocol - but then an offduty border patrol agent of all fricking people was the one that put the shooter down.
How it unfolded just seems very wrong.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
How many kids bled to death waiting an hour and a half for someone to rescue them? Protocol my --- 
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:03 am to Sun God
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Between this bronc dude and whatiknowsofar I’m a little wary of pelican fans
My man, Avatar was your self stated first memory of seeing a movie
I know it’s summer break and all for you kiddies, but Mommy is almost certainly gonna withhold those juicy tendies tomorrow if she catches you up this late.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:07 am to Bronc
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My man, Avatar was your self stated first memory of seeing a movie
Yeah and it was fricking epic
Second movie memory was Hobbs and Shaw
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:08 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:07 am to USMCguy121
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Id honestly write all that off to protocol - but then an offduty border patrol agent of all fricking people was the one that put the shooter down.
And that’s probably what this will come down to tbh.
Police officers that met resistance from the suspect defaulted to taking a defensive position despite the dangers involved to the people inside, will make the case that it was within the parameters of the acceptable protocols, and the back-the-blue code will try and defend them. But fact is it required federal officials, potentially an off duty border patrol agent, to step up to the plate and take offensive action an hour and a half into the suspect’s rampage, who at that point almost certainly had fired audible shots within the building while police were outside focusing on crowd control
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:09 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:15 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I cannot imagine the agony those parents went through. Just the thought of it makes me well up. I’m terrified for my child’s future.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:21 am to Jcorye1
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Supreme Court ruled police have no duty to protect and have used that ruling as precedence.
A good reminder for anyone that still harbors childlike notions that the police are duty bound to serve and protect
Why Cops Won’t Help You While You Are Getting Stabbed
POLICE HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU, FEDERAL COURT AFFIRMS YET AGAIN IN PARKLAND MASSACRE CASE
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:35 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:42 am to Tiger Nation 84
Dead on balls accurate!!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I’ll say that current “active shooter policy” does not teach that. If this is true, and whatever the officers reason for not entering.... does not coincide with modern training.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded
Police are much better at infringing upon your rights than they are at protecting the public. Policemen are public racketeers that pay their salaries on traffic citations and civil asset forfeiture.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:55 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Ramos legally bought the rifle and a second one like it last week, just after his birthday, authorities said.
What has been the final or most recent reporting on what these guns were? How much would they have cost?
Poor, wasn’t going to graduate, and just got a job at a Wendy’s. Just wondering if had be saved up for a while or if someone helped who had to have known what he was getting like his grandfather with a felony (even if he did know they were kept at his own house which would be illegal for grandfather).
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:59 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Correct, this was a comment from a former police officer friend in our Facebook group:
He also acknowledged the above I posted, and that officers can and will use such precedent as after-the-fact excuses for not engaging in duties they know in their heart they should, but anyone worth their salt should not be using that as an excuse to neglect their moral obligations.
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I was trained that as soon as you had two officers on scene, those officers entered the active shooter building/situation immediately (two were required so that one officer kept his attention solely toward the sound of the gunshots, and the second officer watched the first officers rear, did the radio communications, and directed civilians towards the exit if they ran towards them). Other officers were to enter in groups of two (or more if they arrived at the same time) as they arrived on scene. If the officers actively heard shooting after entering the building, they were to head directly towards the sound of the shooting as quickly as possible, but at a speed where the second officer could still cover behind them (in case of multiple shooters). If the gunshots stopped fully or temporarily, during that time they were to head towards the sound of the last gunshots, but at a slightly slower pace, making sure to better cover doors and hallways as they passed because the location of the shooter was no longer definite.
In this case apparently the officers and the suspect exchanged fire before he entered in the school, and the officers suffered injuries of some kind. OK, the way I was trained, if they were truly injured (not hurt), no problem, but the next two officers on scene should have been going into that school.
Cops sitting on the outside while people are being killed should be criminal. How I was trained makes complete sense to me. I have no idea what the frick happened here, but this is a fricking policing disaster of epic proportions if this emerging timeline is accurate. I cannot think of a single justifiable reason to not enter or maintain a presence in that school, absolutely unconscionable.
He also acknowledged the above I posted, and that officers can and will use such precedent as after-the-fact excuses for not engaging in duties they know in their heart they should, but anyone worth their salt should not be using that as an excuse to neglect their moral obligations.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:03 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:18 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Call me an internet tough guy, but if I was in their situation as a cop I'd rather get shot than deal with a lifetime of pussing out of that situation. Yeah yeah wife and kids, but neither would respect me. My cousin was at the harvest festival shooting in Vegas. One of her friend's husbands tried to run away from his wife. They rightfully divorced ASAP.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:30 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Spoiler: that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.
Did she die before or after they begged cops to go inside?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
BP, best shooters in Federal LE besides maybe Secret Service
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:01 am to Indefatigable
Untrained humans do very stupid and irrational things under pressure.
Untrained humans also do miraculous things under just such pressure.
Untrained humans also do miraculous things under just such pressure.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:08 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Tiger Nation 84 it’s all inside jobs. they are told to stand down, because this is part of the Agenda. and it sucks that kids were sacrificed. i really am starting to fricking hate it here
TN84,
Wtf?!
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