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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:40 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:40 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I just…look I lean right but the mental gymnastics of some of these morons
“The government is incompetent!! How can you trust them to do anything ??
Ok fine…but also
“Yes in the last few years the government has been able to orchestrate fixing an election and a mass murder of 20 children “
“The government is incompetent!! How can you trust them to do anything ??
Ok fine…but also
“Yes in the last few years the government has been able to orchestrate fixing an election and a mass murder of 20 children “
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.
Good Lord thats horrible.
Id like to think that if my kid were in that school I'd have commandeered a gun off of someone and at the least died trying. In reality though, who knows. Many cops are not combat vets and the policies thay govern them are not always in our best interest.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:43 pm to red sox fan 13
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This seems to always happen when you get a school shooting. Police who don’t do their job in these scenarios should be fired at best prosecuted at worst
Remember Parkland in Florida wasn’t the deputy at the school just walking around like Barney Fife and then scrambled out of danger with his tail between his legs once the gunfire started.
That deputy was actually arrested in the ensuing investigation along with other deputies who faced charges or termination.
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Deputy Scot Peterson, the school resource officer who didn’t enter the school Deputy Scot Peterson’s inaction during the shooting brought widespread criticism and, this month, led to his arrest.
Mr. Peterson, the only armed guard on campus, did “absolutely nothing to mitigate” the shooting, a report from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said. For 48 minutes, it said, he stayed outside the building where students and others were shot. Mr. Peterson was charged with seven counts of felony neglect of a child for what prosecutors said was his failure to protect the schoolchildren.
I understand that sometimes in law enforcement, that numbers matter and it maybe safer to wait until more back up arrives or an area gets secured, but in cases you just have to act swiftly and use instinct. Some times planning and preparation get in the way of instinct and intuition.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:46 pm to Chad504boy
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I’ve yet to read anything that makes sense to explain why armed police did not breach and enter and attempt to save children’s lives
Counter: we are like 30 hours removed from the event and you a random guy with no association to the investigation
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:47 pm to BilJ
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look I lean right but the mental gymnastics of some of these morons
I lean right also. I just try not to lean stupid.
quote:
“The government is incompetent!! How can you trust them to do anything ??
Ok fine…but also
“Yes in the last few years the government has been able to orchestrate fixing an election and a mass murder of 20 children “
Exactly, some of these people cant think for themselves, they just regurgitate what has been spoon fed them.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If I was one of those cops I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I wouldn't be able to look those parents in the eye.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:48 pm to Tarps99
Most of you realize in all likelihood by the time the cops actually arrived the kids were all dead, right ? He slaughtered an entire classroom almost at random. This wasn’t carried out over hours while they sat and watched outside
I get we all want to point the finger and blame someone for this evil but frick
I get we all want to point the finger and blame someone for this evil but frick
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:28 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:52 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Heart wrenching imagining how those parents felt. But police have protocols for a reason. And just as important as those kids were, police are to someone else.
It is adults’ responsibility as adults to protect children.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:55 pm to Jim Rockford
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If some shite ever goes down, realistically we'd be on our own.
Everyone should know how to protect themselves.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:56 pm to OweO
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Should protocol go out of the window?
No. But protocol should be to go kill the shooter. Not wait.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
HailHailtoMichigan!
frick you, you worthless piece of shite.
No. Andy Specht @AndySpecht covers North Carolina politics for @WRAL and @PolitiFactNC. Formerly at the @newsobserver. Raleigh native.
He's a fricking NC political hack!
But he got his information from the AP? Well, read the fricking AP story:
So, in review.
First, do not rely on some political hack in North Carolina for information about what happened in Texas.
Second, at least read the fricking AP article before spewing bullshite.
Third, and most importantly, wait until a proper investigation is performed or at least until the facts come out officially.
Oh, and go frick yourself.
frick you, you worthless piece of shite.
quote:Who the frick is Andy Specht? A Texas cop? Someone with personal knowledge of what happened?
Andy Specht
@AndySpecht
Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.
Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. One parent urged bystanders:
“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”
@AP
story:
Spoiler: that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.
My God.
No. Andy Specht @AndySpecht covers North Carolina politics for @WRAL and @PolitiFactNC. Formerly at the @newsobserver. Raleigh native.
He's a fricking NC political hack!
But he got his information from the AP? Well, read the fricking AP story:
quote:The AP Story
He “barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. “It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”
All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.
Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.
“The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”
Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key.
So, in review.
First, do not rely on some political hack in North Carolina for information about what happened in Texas.
Second, at least read the fricking AP article before spewing bullshite.
Third, and most importantly, wait until a proper investigation is performed or at least until the facts come out officially.
Oh, and go frick yourself.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:04 pm to Bulletproof Lover
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Cops aren’t soldiers. They are just normal employees.
Oh, so every time I have to hear a cop or cop's family member talk about how they put their lives on the line every day, I can just assume they're full of shite? Or fly their bastardized American flags with the blue line, does them being "normal employees" mean segments of the population should stop treating them like they're walking Gods?
If you're a cop and you look in the mirror and realize you don't have the 'switch' in you to truly put your life on the line for the community paying you to do so, especially when hearing shots ring out in a 4th grade classroom, you should get the frick OUT of policework. No shame in resigning before your inaction causes loss of life.
Same shite happened at Parkland...a 32 year vet of the force and the motherfricker just dipped out behind the school to hide while KIDS he was hired to protect were slaughtered by a lone gunman.
I cannot believe we're having to relive this nightmare so many times. I TRULY thought Sandy Hook would be enough to cause both the Dems and Reps to have serious conversations and negotiations to come up with a comprehensive plan to at least minimize these occurrences. Instead? Nothing.
As much as I don't want to see it, it's time for a newspaper to get ahold of the evidentiary pictures of those dead children and publish them. It took the press to help end 'Nam by publishing graphic pictures, forcing the public to face the realities of what was happening. We, as a society, need to do the same when it comes to mass shootings becoming a seemingly weekly event.
At least 40 minutes the shooter spent in that room with these young children. Do we really need to wonder why DNA samples were required from parents to identify victims?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:07 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Ok so again think this through
Do you think in the time it took for him to commit this heinous act there was time for not only the cops to arrive but also the parents to get there as well? I don’t doubt there were probably parents that got there at some point and were pleading with the cops on scene to do something but by then whats done was done.
Do you think in the time it took for him to commit this heinous act there was time for not only the cops to arrive but also the parents to get there as well? I don’t doubt there were probably parents that got there at some point and were pleading with the cops on scene to do something but by then whats done was done.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:08 pm to tylercsbn9
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Also apparently they couldn’t even get into the school
The shooter did.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:12 pm to tylercsbn9
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Also apparently they couldn’t even get into the school
I find it hard to believe that our militarized police can’t get into a school.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:13 pm to greygoose
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Imagine you are a parent outside that school, and you are hearing gunshots while the cops standby, waiting on someone to give the order to go in. I'm going in. Armed or not. Not sure I could live with myself knowing I did nothing while shots rang out, and one was meant for my kid.
Would make the same call 100 times out of a 100 if my child was inside.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:16 pm to KirbySmartass
Did I hear correctly that one of the dead teacher's husband is a school police officer?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:16 pm to BilJ
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Do you think in the time it took for him to commit this heinous act there was time for not only the cops to arrive but also the parents to get there as well?
You could, ya know, read the AP story in the op's post instead of insulting folks on the OT? You're wrong. But you would've already known that if you'd taken 5 minutes to read instead of pulling bullshite out of your arse.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 pm to BilJ
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Ok so again think this through
Let’s do you fricking apologetic moron
The shooter was killed by a border patrol agent that arrived on the scene AFTER police were tazing parents demanding police to do their fricking jobs and enter the school to stop the gunman they chased to the school, who crashed his car, evaded their weak pursuit, entered the school, while the cops decided to hold a tailgate outside the elementary school the killer barricaded himself inside of in a class full of children. Where unarmed teachers showed more courage than the fricking cowards outside that received nearly 50% of their city budget, a 500k donation from Abbot, and donations of military grade weaponry on behalf of Texas for the explicit purpose of protecting their communities from exactly this sort of scenario
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 pm to red sox fan 13
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Police who don’t do their job in these scenarios should be fired at best prosecuted at worst
Average cops aren't trained to assault a building and hunt active shooters.
Should they be? Maybe. I think that would make for a tough discussion.
One thing I think is that someone with SWAT or CQB training should absolutely be dispatched anytime a call comes in involving a school and they should absolutely go straight into the building as soon as they get there.
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