re: Anyone truly willing to die to avoid the vaccine?

Pfizer?

I drove today and I have a much greater chance of dying from that than covid. Will probably drive again tomorrow.

Yep sure am. My body my choice right?

I weighed the unknowns of vaccine versus the survival rates and concluded the odds were in my favor to survive. That includes to fact that I'm a type 1 diabetic, buy my health is better that most and I keep a tight control on diabetes. I have a high metabolism and am at a healthy weight for my age, 36, with no body fat. I tested positive Monday and am going to make it through unscathed and hopefully with antibodies that will protect me for several months.

If it's a full month then it's probably Moderna

PS: some (folks and institutions) are dying a little everyday...

https://quillette.com/2021/07/03/on-the-dangers-of-big-covid/

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Published on July 3, 2021

On the Dangers of Big COVID

written by Michael Robillard

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In the particular case of COVID, placing too much trust in the medical experts runs the very real risk of the public expecting non-elected officials to use ostensibly values-neutral science to solve problems which are fundamentally normative, ethical, or political in nature. For there is nothing about the scientific data as such which magically tells us what risks and values trade-offs persons ought to make both individually and collectively or what duties we might have to one another. Furthermore, such a dynamic also enables and incentivizes medical and scientific experts to falsely conclude that they can simply move laterally and translate their particular set of niche competencies into other domains of expertise that they have no good business commenting on. Lastly, such a dynamic of excessive trust in niche experts arguably stifles the legitimate authority and efficacy of officially-elected leadership to do the jobs they were entrusted by their constituents to perform while simultaneously undermining the opportunity for citizens to exercise their own capacity for agency and individual personal responsibility.

This last point, about the danger of personal agency and responsibility becoming stifled by excessive bureaucratic or expert overreach touches on what philosopher Matthew B. Crawford refers to as the “Ideology of Safetyism.” Crawford defines this pervasive ideology in modern culture as, “a moral sensibility and loop wherein, the safer we become, the more intolerable any remaining risk appears, making us susceptible to projects that make us more safe.” Thus, while the increase of bodily safety technically might make one safer in a strictly material sense, Crawford asks us to reconsider what personal virtues, capabilities, aspects of character, and goods of an immaterial sort might become diminished, atrophied, or compromised in constantly and continuously making such a trade. Underpinning Crawford’s critique, is a particular conception of human flourishing and what it means to be truly human, one not easily captured by a strict material, medical, or biological description. For what is the proportionate or commensurable trade-off between physical safety and dignity? Between saving lives and actually living? Between maximizing safety and actually participating in what makes us most human?

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This July 4th, Americans everywhere look forward to finally putting COVID behind us, and to getting back, more or less, to what Massachusetts Governor, Charlie Baker has referred to as “the new normal.” And while there is cause for optimism, there is nonetheless equal reason to worry about the next shifting of goalposts, the next set of trade-offs demanded, and genuine concern for what was so wrong with the old normal anyway. As to where the line in the sand should be as to when such trade-offs are no longer worth it, I cannot say. For each person and community that threshold will be different. However, some line in the sand is needed regardless. For if no line in the sand can be drawn, no ballast point able to be articulated, then the rudderless inertia of Big COVID stands to only strengthen in the months, years, and possibly decades to come. Then again, perhaps I am completely wrong here and COVID will be fully solved by mid-summer. And while we’re at it, maybe we’ll finally get all those terrorists too.

Dr. Michael Robillard is an independent scholar, philosopher, and US Army veteran. He has held prior academic appointments at the University of Notre Dame, the University of Oxford, and the US Naval Academy. His past writings have focused on issues concerning free speech in academia, civil/military relations, veterans issues, and the ethics of automated technology. He is from Whitman, Massachusetts, US. For more information, visit his personal website, follow him on Twitter @Dr_M_Robillard, and read his Substack.

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Well I was kind of forced to get it for nursing school so but all things aside 100% against it

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campaign is a campaign. COVID is obviously the hot new virus, so of course its going to be more right now.

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To make money.

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Will anyone here admit that their distrust of the system is so deep that they are fine if they catch covid and die

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Do you not understand how a functioning brain works? If we thought we were going to die if we caught COVID we would get the vaccine. The data tells us, those of us that are normal and healthy, that we have a 99.9+% chance of surviving.

So yes, I am more than willing to take that chance.

People that are getting the vaccine, again normal healthy people, are willingly taking something that will likely make you just as sick as COVID.

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Do you not understand how a functioning brain works? If we thought we were going to die if we caught COVID we would get the vaccine. The data tells us, those of us that are normal and healthy, that we have a 99.9+% chance of surviving.

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It's also about other people who are vulnerable, Randy. But no ... we can't do anything for anyone else in this culture. All about you, right? This is a cultural deficiency that accounts for like 99% of our looming societal problems. We have no capacity to do anything collectively anymore.

Oh yea, and you're wrong about Jorginho, too. We can meet at Sonic if you want.