re: Anyone train using heart rate zones

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Dr. Maffetone suggest you subtract your age from 180 and just train at that HR. It is incredibly hard to do, but you won't get injured with a proper diet as well.

He's coached Mark Allen to victory.

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That science is decades old. Just about every top coach in the world believes in protocol testing to develop training and racing thresholds now.

It doesn't mean that people who have used that method and still use that method can't be or get fast, just that most of the science now believes in a more structured test. What you don't hear when you read about someones success stories are their failure stories as well.

Take Brett Sutton for example. He has coached multiple world champions, but his approach is so brutal that the numbers of athletes he spits up and chews out is astonishing. Assuming he accpepts you in the first place, then if you survive the amount of volume he puts on you and can handle his abuse you may end up being one of the best in the world, and he has had a few (Chrissie Wellington) but his athletes have been known to get worn out very fast.

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it worked didn't it?

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Dave Scott had exactly the opposite approach, are you saying his didn't work?

The point is some people succeed in spite of their training and others because of it. Just because it worked for one person doesn't mean it is "right".

Allen was ahead of his time in regards to training in alot of ways, but there is too much science out there to ignore it and put all your eggs in one basket because it worked for Mark Allen 30 years ago. If that was the case, there would be no evolution in the sport and how ti is approached.

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That's a hell of a resting heart rate

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Yea I'm calling bullshite on that. That's Olympic athlete level resting heart rate.

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Yea I'm calling bullshite on that. That's Olympic athlete level resting heart rate.

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no, no its not.

when i was seriously racing my resting HR was easily in the 40s.

all that means is you train so much that when you kick back your heart goes into resting mode.

it takes work and time to achieve that, but to say only an olympic athlete can achieve that is just nonsense.

i knew a couple guys who were in the high 30s.

eta not sure if its something about racing bikes and the amount of time you're training and doing efforts, but i suspect lower resting HRs are more prevalent in that sport.

My max is 204 ... or was it 206? Did a max hr test (do it every 6 months or so). My zone 2 is zone 5 for some people but the formula is WAY off for me for sure.

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Maffetone suggest you subtract your age from 180 and just train at that HR. It is incredibly hard to do, but you won't get injured with a proper diet as well.

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Tried it. I basically never ran.

That 45 rate was taken at the doctors office. I rarely take my true resting rate but if I throw my monitor on, I can get into the low 50s high 40s sitting on the couch easily. That's not a true indicator of performance. Your lactic threshold along with you hearts efficiency to keep up with it is an indicator of performance. I have no threshold at this point. I realize that.

Sounds like you're on the arse-end of a heart attack.

Can I say something?

Weight lifting is anaerobic. And is meant for gaining muscle.

Jogging is aerobic (one example). And is meant for physical upkeep.


When someone says "work out" I never consider that to be running. I always think of muscle gaining.

Running to me is just a necessity to keep my body in condition. Working out is to add onto the physical look of the body.


Just my opinion of how I see it. I'm a literal person, so I see things as 1s and 0s sometimes. Take it for what it's worth.

The point of Maffetone's way is to run at an aerobic pace and never get into the anaerobic zone. Once you hit that anaerobic zone, your starting to use glucose as the main fuel source and not fats (hence the 180 minus age). You never hit a bonk, and never need any gels or foods to bring along if you stay aerobic.

I've done it and was fun & very hard at first. I have since moved away from running and into weights. I figured the OP has never heard of him and it is quite a story.