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re: Anyone receive a notice from La Dept of Public Safety about their car insurance?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:56 am to slackster
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:56 am to slackster
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but it seems as if every one of these cases were clear violations.
How is charging a fee for lapse in coverage when there is no lapse in coverage a "clear violation"? Because you don't turn in your plate? IF you can prove there wasn't a lapse they shouldn't say oh okay but you still owe us 125.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:07 am to DCtiger1
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How is charging a fee for lapse in coverage when there is no lapse in coverage a "clear violation"? Because you don't turn in your plate? IF you can prove there wasn't a lapse they shouldn't say oh okay but you still owe us 125.
I edited my post. I hadn't read the entire thread.
Look, if you didn't have a lapse and there was just an error between your insurance and the state, then you shouldn't owe any money.
However, as posted earlier in the thread:
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As long as your vehicle is registered in the State of Louisiana you are required to maintain liability insurance on your vehicle with an insurance company licensed to do business in Louisiana. If you have not already done so, you must register your vehicle in the state you are now residing.
You must submit a copy of the registration indicating that your vehicle is currently registered in that state. If the vehicle was not registered in the state you are residing prior to the insurance cancellation date on the notice, you must also submit proof that liability insurance was in effect as of the insurance cancellation date.
If the above is not submitted within 10 days of the Official Notice of Cancellation you will be considered non-compliant and will owe a fee based on the schedule below:
UP to 30 days uninsured $125.00
31 - 90 days uninsured $275.00
91 days or more uninsured $525.00
If compliance is not received within 10 days of the Official Notice of Cancellation, a Notice of Delinquent Debt will be mailed out giving you 60 days to comply before your delinquent debt is transferred to the Office of Debt Recovery for collections. After 60 days the debt will be deemed final delinquent debt and the debt amount will increase to $525 plus a collection fee of 25% increasing the total debt to $656.25 per cancellation and the fee cap of $850.00 will no longer apply as provided for in LA R.S. 47:1676 (E).
If clearing all cancellations on the same day, there is a reinstatement cap of $850.00 in addition to a $25.00 administrative fee for each cancellation record. However, if your debt is transferred to the Office of Debt Recovery the fee cap of $850.00 will no longer apply.
If you are 65 years old or older, the cap is $250.00.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:33 am to slackster
The mess is not just because there is a question re any lasped coverage a person may or may not have had, going back 9-19-11 + yrs. A big problem on its own is that it is a nightmare getting through to the DMV TO discuss the issues involved. And the whole time that 60 day window to avoid any additiona fines, up to as much as double, is running and running. They send out 1.6 million letters and are surprised that they are "overwhelmed"? Another well thought out & executed plan by the State.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:33 am to drexyl
Got one today for my Dad having a lapse in June...which is strange considering he died in January.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:48 am to Keltic Tiger
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A big problem on its own is that it is a nightmare getting through to the DMV TO discuss the issues involved. And the whole time that 60 day window to avoid any additiona fines, up to as much as double, is running and running. They send out 1.6 million letters and are surprised that they are "overwhelmed"? Another well thought out & executed plan by the State.
Completely agree. The execution of their attempt to collect the fines is piss-poor at best. I wouldn't be surprised if they extend the deadline due to pressure in the media.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:49 am to theronswanson
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Got one today for my Dad having a lapse in June...which is strange considering he died in January.
Well, did he have insurance in June or not? Case closed. Pay up!
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:55 am to slackster
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However, as posted earlier in the thread:
I know what the letter says. I got one of these second notices. I moved to GA and traded in my vehicle in at a dealership in GA. Said dealership did not sell my trade until three months later. The issue is that there was never a lapse in coverage. I moved to another state and transferred my insurance to my new state and vehicle. State Farm, Progressive, Allstate, etc are licensed to sell in almost every state.
It's a huge frick you. I am required in my new state, where I actually live, to have insurance.
the law was designed to punish those who do not carry insurance. I can prove that not only did I have continuous coverage, I also no longer had possession of the vehicle in question.
To still try to collect a fee from people is complete and utter bullshite.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:05 am to drexyl
This was on KNOE-TV Monroe news last night. Over 1.2 million of these went out. It is not a scam...well not an internet scam. I got one of these letters yesterday for my daughter that moved to Tupelo, MS 8 years ago. The letter is authentic and should not be taken lightly. They have over a million guilty until proven innocent people. If you don't prove your innocence, they WILL get this money from you one way or another, even if it means garnishing your wages. I agree it's wrong. but I've dealt with the state on a closed business they kept trying to tax. It took some legwork and patience. but I did get it resolved. Good Luck.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:08 am to Artie Rome
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Well, did he have insurance in June or not? Case closed. Pay up!
I might bring a Ouija board to the OMV and ask the clerk to help me summon him from the great beyond and ask whether this was an oversight.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:27 am to Starseed22
So this is to help pay for the 20% across the board pay raises that were given to state police?
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:28 am to slackster
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If you're able to prove you didn't violate the law, then you shouldn't owe any money. However, I doubt that is the case in many of these situations.
But how long are you supposed to keep this proof? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?
How long does state have to keep hard copies (not just what was keyed into system or document) of receiving records for plates, documents received about vehicle registrations, title requests from dealers or owners particularly out of state with their own retention schedules, attached memos where employees may have written they approved or cleared something in case never keyed into system, copies of letters sent out, postage payments, phone records, and so on?
I don't know state's document retention policies, but I would like to know if they are holding public to higher standard than themselves.
I was in process of changing over to another state and still had Louisiana DL for awhile longer and maybe even another car registered in Louisiana. I never had issues brought up when transferring these items many months after date in letter, so why did state not doing anything when I would have been past response time in alleged original letter? Could it be that back then it was considered closed?
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:31 am to theronswanson
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Got one today for my Dad having a lapse in June...which is strange considering he died in January.
Must have let his unlife insurance lapse.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:35 am to theronswanson
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having a lapse in June...which is strange considering he died in January.
So you admit that he let his insurance lapse. What a TPOS, I hope they suspend your license if you were the executor of the estate. They need that $500.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 11:55 am to drexyl
Recipients of Louisiana OMV letters threatening big fines for lapsed insurance call mass mailing a money grab
$444 million in outstanding debts
trivial paperwork issues from as far back as 29 years ago
she still owed the fine, warning her that nonpayment would eventually ruin her credit.
Frightened, Simoneaux paid $132.
Even though the above lady showed she did everything correctly, she was charged $132 by the State for the State to mail her a letter stating the State's records were incomplete and inaccurate!
$444 million in outstanding debts
trivial paperwork issues from as far back as 29 years ago
she still owed the fine, warning her that nonpayment would eventually ruin her credit.
Frightened, Simoneaux paid $132.
Even though the above lady showed she did everything correctly, she was charged $132 by the State for the State to mail her a letter stating the State's records were incomplete and inaccurate!
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:16 pm to theronswanson
The insurance industry was blindsided by this money grab too, and they're pushing back against the head of the OMV. This creates a bunch of busy work for agents, who aren't part of the state reporting process.
FYI, the only thing reported by insurers to the OMV is when an auto policy cancels or nonrenews. If you switch from Insurer ABC to Insurer XYZ for any customary reason, the only thing that gets reported is Insurer ABC cancelled or didn't renew your policy. The OMV has omitted the matching requirement in their system to match that data point with the other side of the transaction, i.e. new proof of insurance or plates cancelled in their own system (which can be done online very easily).
Usually, this gets resolved pretty efficiently, but the OMV has decided to run a database query on one side of the data only (lapse information) without matching it up, as they've done in the past.
Now that the independent agents trade association is involved, the time frame will get extended I imagine pretty immediately.
Just to be safe, I would adjust your withholding so you don't get a tax refund going forward though, because that will be how they will grab your money.
FYI, the only thing reported by insurers to the OMV is when an auto policy cancels or nonrenews. If you switch from Insurer ABC to Insurer XYZ for any customary reason, the only thing that gets reported is Insurer ABC cancelled or didn't renew your policy. The OMV has omitted the matching requirement in their system to match that data point with the other side of the transaction, i.e. new proof of insurance or plates cancelled in their own system (which can be done online very easily).
Usually, this gets resolved pretty efficiently, but the OMV has decided to run a database query on one side of the data only (lapse information) without matching it up, as they've done in the past.
Now that the independent agents trade association is involved, the time frame will get extended I imagine pretty immediately.
Just to be safe, I would adjust your withholding so you don't get a tax refund going forward though, because that will be how they will grab your money.
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October 21, 2015
To: IIABL Members & Associate Members
Fm: Jeff Albright, Chief Executive Officer
Re: Louisiana OMV Collection Letters
Click here for the article from the Baton Rouge Advocate newspaper describing the process which the Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles (LOMV) has initiated to collect fines for lapsed mandatory automobile insurance. LOMV has apparently sent out 1.2 million collection letters.
IIABL has received numerous phone calls and emails from agents who have had policyholders contact them about these collection letters. In many cases the collection letters are incorrect. In some cases the letters are for vehicles which were sold and no longer owned by the person receiving the letter. In other cases, coverage has lapsed and been reinstated, or moved from one insurer to another insurer, the LOMV computer system has not properly matched the renewal coverage, and therefore LOMV incorrectly shows a lapse in coverage.
Some policyholders and agents who have tried to contact LOMV have been frustrated with phone, computer, and LOMV staff response systems which are overwhelmed with inquiries and are unable to respond in a timely or appropriate manner.
IIABL has requested a meeting with Stephen Campbell, Commissioner of LOMV, to discuss the problems associated with this collection process and to seek appropriate solutions for insurance agents and their policyholders.
IIABL will provide additional information as it becomes available.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 12:49 pm to GoIrish02
I think I read last night about someone wanting to know about Katrina cars. We had a truck, a Chevelle, and a Harley that were totaled and insured through GEICO. Obviously replaced all vehicles, the policies for those cars were cashed in, and no plates were turned in (GEICO took them when we weren't there). No problems for me
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:07 pm to slackster
You're out of you're element slackster.
But don't let me stop you from sticking up for the state when you barely have half the facts.
quote:this is what is getting many people. A first letter was not sent but they claim it was so even if I prove no lapse in coverage I still owe $128 because I didn't respond to a phantom letter. That is what makes it a bullshite money grab vs an honest attempt to collect on outstanding debt. They want a minimum of $128 for every letter sent and will garnish your federal refund to do it.
submitted within 10 days of the Official Notice of Cancellation you will be considered non-compliant and will owe a fee based on the schedule below:
But don't let me stop you from sticking up for the state when you barely have half the facts.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:30 pm to drexyl
Is the state required to send notice of revocation of Drivers Licensed (or suspended DLs) to insurance companies? Or do insurance companies check every so often?
The old DL that was never flagged over a decade ago (at least up until I got DL in another state) is now showing as flagged at expresslane.org. I would have thought this would have come up months after they say they sent letter while getting license in other state, transferring another vehicle to another state, or even by insurance company while I still had old DL. I would think my old address would have gotten a letter on this as well. I would really like to know when this was flagged, but they just reference insurance cancellation date and not when this was actually done by the omv.
The old DL that was never flagged over a decade ago (at least up until I got DL in another state) is now showing as flagged at expresslane.org. I would have thought this would have come up months after they say they sent letter while getting license in other state, transferring another vehicle to another state, or even by insurance company while I still had old DL. I would think my old address would have gotten a letter on this as well. I would really like to know when this was flagged, but they just reference insurance cancellation date and not when this was actually done by the omv.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 1:58 pm to Asgard Device
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So this is to help pay for the 20% across the board pay raises that were given to state police?
30%
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:10 pm to drexyl
Happened to me. Moved to NC in 2011 and did everything correctly according to LA and NC laws. Got a fine of $576.
After 6 hours of dealing with LA OMV, I finally got it all taken away.
They were fining me because they said the insurance card I sent them from NC was "too blurry." Here's the kicker, NC sent me about 4 insurance cards whenever I changed so I sent LA an actual card, not a copy. The employees at LA OMV are the ones that made the blurry copy.
The woman on the phone said she had both the actual card and the copy in my file. She apologized, dropped the fine, and you could tell she was tired of dealing with this shite the pathetic state of LA is pulling.
After 6 hours of dealing with LA OMV, I finally got it all taken away.
They were fining me because they said the insurance card I sent them from NC was "too blurry." Here's the kicker, NC sent me about 4 insurance cards whenever I changed so I sent LA an actual card, not a copy. The employees at LA OMV are the ones that made the blurry copy.
The woman on the phone said she had both the actual card and the copy in my file. She apologized, dropped the fine, and you could tell she was tired of dealing with this shite the pathetic state of LA is pulling.
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