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re: Anyone ever have their kid in ambulance from school?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:24 pm to Rick9Plus
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:24 pm to Rick9Plus
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if an emergency occurs.
No emergency occured.
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here is no way the teacher could have known it was ONLY a dislocated shoulder and not something life-threatening.
Its his fricking arm. He can breath and he's not bleeding. Only a special needs person would argue that people can't tell the difference between arm pain and someone dying.
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:25 pm to ChunkyLover54
Sounds like they used his pain as a reason to guarantee the trip charge. If they leave empty, they don't get paid. Being employed as a caregiver is much different than a "good samaritan," and doesn't protect them from liability. Juicing up a minor for a non-life threatening injury doesn't sound like good protocol to me.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:27 pm to ChunkyLover54
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:30 pm to ChunkyLover54
We operate under parental consent, which means you have to be on site and consent to your child’s care. However if you aren’t there we operate under implied consent, meaning that a person who is unable to give consent (unconscious etc) or a minor, we assume that a prudent person or parent would want to be treated, then we follow our protocols. While I understand your position, I doubt you have a “case”. I doubt you could find a medical review panel would say your child was harmed.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:32 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Having worked in the public school system, i can tell you that if a kid is seriously injured, they will err on the side of the safety of the child vs the parent’s preference. There’s a bigger chance they will get sued for not doing enough than for doing too much in a potential emergency. If you want control over everything that happens to your kid, you’re gonna have to homeschool.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:32 pm to ChunkyLover54
What the heck? Fentanyl!
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:36 pm to ChunkyLover54
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They ambulance thing I don't like. As I said, they told my wife she could not take him in our vehicle, he had to go in the ambulance for "monitoring." I'm not looking for a definitive legal opinion here, but just not sure how to look at the situation.
This is America. Under what law was the authority that the child had to go via ambulance for monitoring after they administered a narcotic?
The statement was probably based on their medical protocols to cover their arse in case something goes wrong. That is not law.
Your wife asserting that she was taking her child herself should have changed the course of events.
You wife, as the legal guardian, had a right to refuse transport via ambulance.
If the ambulance crew felt an obligation they could have followed your wife to the ER.
This is based on 36 years in the business.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:45 pm to ChunkyLover54
Public or private? And did the school administer narcotics, or paramedics?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:46 pm to ChunkyLover54
In loco parentis. It’s the schools call when you aren’t there. A dislocated shoulder is justifiable imo.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:49 pm to bulletprooftiger
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I dont thin a school is allowed to keep narcotics on site to give without a prescription. That leads me to believe that the EMTs gave the narcotics. If that’s the case maybe the school called the ambo because of the level of pain your kid was in?
Correct. The school nurse is not equipped to relocate the shoulder. Which is fine. The rest I'm curious about
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:51 pm to Obtuse1
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In the end, they were just trying to take care of your child and maybe went a little overboard. It beats the gym teacher telling him to walk it off or pop it back in place themselves.
Agreed. And in the end, I'm happy with the outcome, but less happy about the process and the potential (I don't know yet) of what could not be a trivial bill.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:51 pm to Upperdecker
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Public or private? And did the school administer narcotics, or paramedics?
Public. Paramedics
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:55 pm to ChunkyLover54
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they gave him narcotics
Lucky kid.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:55 pm to zuluboudreaux
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The statement was probably based on their medical protocols to cover their arse in case something goes wrong. That is not law.
Your wife asserting that she was taking her child herself should have changed the course of events.
You wife, as the legal guardian, had a right to refuse transport via ambulance.
Agreed. When she got there he was in their care and they told her "sorry ma'aam we can't let you take him. He needs monitoring and the ambulance."
Seems wrong to me. That and the lack of consent about the drugs and that those drugs "required" an ambulance.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:59 pm to Boston911
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While I understand your position, I doubt you have a “case”. I doubt you could find a medical review panel would say your child was harmed.
Thanks. My position at this point is my gut feelings and limited legal knowledge. I'm fine with the outcome, but find the situation concerning. IF I do receive a massive bill, I'm looking for perspective about how to approach.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:01 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Sounds like they used his pain as a reason to guarantee the trip charge. If they leave empty, they don't get paid.
Yeah, this is exactly my thought and I hope I'm wrong. At this point I'm not sure who is paying them, is it us or the school.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:06 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:fir fricking what.
If you didn't sign any of the above, get a lawyer
Get a lawyer. Get a lawyer
Jesus
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:07 pm to Rick9Plus
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Would you trust a PE teacher or a paramedic to make that determination? The people who are first to cry lawsuit for calling the paramedics are also the first to cry lawsuit if you don’t call the paramedics if it ends up being a serious injury.
Yes, I agree. I'm glad the PE teacher didn't tell him to rub dirt on it and walk it off. Also glad the nurse or other unqualified people didn't try to provide medical care.
My question, and again, I posted this looking for various perspectives because I know very little about this, is about the actions of the paramedics administering the drugs to a minor without consent and not disclosing the conditions to parents who were actively in contact with the school
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:10 pm to ChunkyLover54
What narcotic was given. What was the timing if all these events? I don’t know if any school nurse tgst would have access to a narc cabinet
My wife is a school nurse. Ain’t no way she has access to a narcotic.
And the only reason she has called ambulances to my limited knowledge is if the child needs treatment and even then she contacts parents. Sometimes parents aren’t available, shite happens, and a dislocated shoulder would need reduced sooner rather than later
My wife is a school nurse. Ain’t no way she has access to a narcotic.
And the only reason she has called ambulances to my limited knowledge is if the child needs treatment and even then she contacts parents. Sometimes parents aren’t available, shite happens, and a dislocated shoulder would need reduced sooner rather than later
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:12 pm to moe1967
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The school has insurance for this.
I hope so. I've received nothing yet from paramedics or school. But that's why I'm looking for insight in case they do. Not trying to a cheapskate here, but the potential of $5K or more bill under these circumstances is concerning.
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