re: Annual JonBenet Ramsey Theories Thread

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I believe there were undisturbed cobwebs on the broken window that John had used to get into the house a few weeks prior, but I believe there were also two additional basement windows that were unlocked.

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I thought I remembered that there was deep snow on the ground at the time and that there's no way anyone could have gotten to those basement windows without leaving obvious footprints. None were found and that along with the cobwebs led them to believe that the basement couldn't have been the point of entry.

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I thought I remembered that there was deep snow on the ground

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IIRC, there was snow, but not what Coloradans would label as deep snow.
Nonetheless, you are correct that no foot prints were found around the windows and around the snow.

Further, you intruder theory folks need to also consider that if said intruder came in and out of the basement window, he also needed to know how to navigate through the 11,000 sf house in finding Jon benets, and no one else's, bedroom up on the 2nd floor.
He also needed to know where to find the pen and paper to write a 3 page ransom note, know where to find implements to create a garotte.
He also needed to know the best hidden section in the basement to hide her body before escaping.

I thought it was some puertorican guy?

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again as a complete noob here....how does any of this prove on insinuate he killed her?

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It doesn’t prove that he killed her. It simply suggests that Burke had the opportunity and maybe even the motive.

Remember, John and Patsy said that both kids went to sleep and that Burke did not wake up until 9 or so in the morning. It’s possible that JonBenet woke up in the middle of the night and made herself a bowl of pineapple, but it’s pretty unlikely, especially given that Burke’s fingerprints are the only prints found on the bowl.

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What do you make of the 911 call where Patsy, John and possibly Burke’s voice was heard. It was Patsy saying “Help me Jesus, hep me Jesus.” Then John saying “We’re not talking to you,” and supposedly Burke saying “What did you find?” Wasn’t he supposed to be asleep during this time?

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The 911 call is strange when listened too under a microscope, but it's tough to know what is the "normal" way to act in such a traumatic situation. I've listened to the 911 call. I can understand where people hear what could be John and Burke talking, but I don't think it's definitive.

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The theory is that if it was an intruder he got into the house while the family was at the Christmas party, so he would’ve had a lot more than 20 minutes to figure out his way around the house, write the note, etc…

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The intruder theory has timeline issues. We know she ate pineapple after getting home from the christmas party. If we are to believe the intruder theory, then we have to accept John and Patsy's recount of the events after they arrived home. They state that both JonBenet and Burke went to bed. This means the intruder was hiding in the house long enough after that got home for JonBenet to go to sleep, wake up, eat pineapple, then maybe go back to sleep? It doesn't really add up.

Then you have the head injury that throws a wrench into things.

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"Dr. Lucy Rorke, a neuro-pathologist with the Philadelphia Children's Hospital, helped explain the timing of some of the injuries sustained by JonBenet. She told investigators that the blow to the skull had immediately begun to hemorrhage, and it was not likely that she would have regained consciousness after receiving this injury. The blow to the head, if left untreated, would have been fatal.

The presence of cerebral edema, swelling of the brain, suggested that JonBenet had survived for some period of time after receiving the blow to her head. Blood from the injury slowly began to fill the cavity of the skull and began to build up pressure on her brain. As pressure increased, swelling was causing the medulla of the brain to push through the foramen magnum, the narrow opening at the base of the skull.

Dr. Rorke estimated that it would have taken an hour or so for the cerebral edema to develop, but that this swelling had not yet caused JonBenet's death.'Necrosis,' neurological changes to the brain cells, indicated a period of survival after the blow that could have ranged from between forty-five (45) minutes and two (2) hours. As pressure in her skull increased, JonBenet was beginning to experience the effects of 'brain death.' Her neurological and biological systems were beginning to shut down, and she may have been exhibiting signs of cheyne-stokes breathing. These are short, gasping breaths that may be present as the body struggles to satisfy its need for oxygen in the final stages of death.

The medical experts were in agreement: the blow to JonBenet's skull had taken place some period of time prior to her death by strangulation. The bruising beneath the garrote and the petechial hemorrhaging in her face and eyes were conclusive evidence that she was still alive when the tightening of the ligature ended her life."

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So, at least 45 minutes passed between the head injury and the strangulation. If we are to believe the intruder theory, the intruder had to have been in the house for several hours. It doesn't make sense.

I’m glad you brought that up about the head injury. That’s an awfully long time for an intruder to be in the house. In the intruder theory, why would JBR willingly eat pineapple without making a peep unless it was someone she knew and trusted. Bizarre!

While we’re on pineapple, there was a large Maglite flashlight found on the kitchen table not far from the bowl of pineapple. Unfortunately, it was wiped clean including the batteries so no fingerprints could be pulled. I’d forgotten. Did they ever definitively say what caused the blunt forced trauma to her head?

True Crime garage completely blew this story. They have little understanding of DNA vs. touch DNA. and the reporting was Biased from the onset. the reason there was NO intruder DNA is because there was no intruder. All the DNA in that house belonged to the family (as it would, of course)

If you want a better understanding of the case, in greater detail, by someone involved with the case. Foreign Faction by A. James Kolar. I've read several, his was the 'light bulb' for me.

Burke did it. He had previous history of violence against his sister, including an assault with a golf club the year before. He's smear his shite all over her toys and gifts. He left a giant poop in her bed. I think he is likely autistic. The Grand Jury voted unanimously to press charges against the family for covering up the crime, altering the crime scene, false statements, etc.. The DA refused to bring charges in spite of the GJ recommendation. They figured he was only 9 at the time, there is no perp at large that would threaten the community, and the family had suffered enough.

All signs point to Burke. That DNA found on JB's underwear was so miniscule they initially didn't have enough to even put it in the database (if memory serves, only like 9 markers). By comparison the DNA services like Ancestry test over 7,000. The touch DNA literally could have been from whomever packed her underwear into the packaging in China and entirely irrelevant to the case. It keeps getting floated out there by the family whenever someone starts sniffing around Burke again.

I was an avid listener of TCG up to that point. It was obvious to me that they didn't put much time researching this particular story, which is probably expected since they are quite prolific with their content.

However, something everyone who is only basically familiar with this case needs to know is that the family strategically and intentionally muddied the waters by putting out false information, misleading statements, and red herrings. It doesn't even matter when these tropes are completely disproven, because every year around Christmas someone listens to a podcast and decides that somehow the 70 year old Santa magically squeezed through a basement window and then launched themselves through the same window upon exit without disturbing cobwebs or leaving any DNA behind. Its frustrating.