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Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:59 pm to X123F45
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Shenanigans. Have you seen a bull moose?
I was barely able to carry one's head. And I've got 100lbs on that pussy.
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A successful generalist predator, the cougar will eat any animal it can catch, from insects to large ungulates (over 500 kg (1,100 lb)). Like other cats, it is an obligate carnivore, meaning it needs to feed exclusively on meat to survive. The mean weight of vertebrate prey (MWVP) that pumas attack increases with the puma's body weight; in general, MWVP is lower in areas closer to the equator. Its most important prey species are various deer species, particularly in North America; mule deer, white-tailed deer, elk and even bull moose are taken. Other species such as the bighorn and Dall's sheep, horse, fallow deer, caribou, mountain goat, coyote, pronghorn, and domestic livestock such as cattle and sheep are also primary food bases in many areas.
Cougars, even large ones, rarely attack adult moose (male or female). They usually target calves or the sick/injured. This is true for all predators though. They don't attempt the most difficult kills just for the sake of it. The point is that large cougars have the ability to take down very large members of the deer family that far outweigh it, as there have been instances of cougars killing adult moose.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:59 pm to Epic Cajun
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Are they racing?
No, but it's going to be hard for the Komodo to kill a mountain lion in a wide open area when they are slower than the average person.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:01 pm to StringedInstruments
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Most likely outcome is a draw, though I don't think the Komodo Dragon has a chance to win outright. Mountain Lion does.
The Komodo has a superior sense of smell and taste (forked tongue), but it's made to detect carrion. Its bite is equal to the force of a house cat.
Mountain Lions can kill and eat elk, an animal which can outweigh a lion by ~400 pounds.
Further, the Komodo dragon has a weak sense of hearing and average eye sight. It's also a type of monitor lizard, so we're dealing with an animal much lower on the intelligence scale than a Mountain Lion.
So I'd say the Mountain Lion could get the kill but one bite from the Komodo and the cat dies too.
I think the mountain lion has the best chance to win outright by avoiding a bite. It's not a great chance, but I think it's a better chance than the komodo dragon has of getting out alive at all.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:05 pm to AMS
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That is a misconception, they use venom. Sure there might be some nasty microbes that would cause infection, but the venom kills the prey faster than the infection develops. Waiting for infection to kill the prey would mean the dragons are stalking prey for like a couple days.
There was a show on Discovery that showed it stalking its prey for well over a day.
It was pretty wild.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:08 pm to Pecker
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It's not a great chance
It is a great chance. Roadrunners and mongooses routinely kill venomous snakes because of their quickness and ability to tire out a reptile. If we are talking about animal with the agility of a mountain lion, the komodo has no chance. Bob and weave until the dragon gets exhausted.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:09 pm to glassman
Just takes a little nibble and the lion will meet his maker after he kills the dragon.
I agree that there is basically no situation where the dragon wins outright.
I agree that there is basically no situation where the dragon wins outright.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:10 pm to TheCaterpillar
The dragon would never get close unless they were in an enclosure. "Open plain" is the fighting arena. The dragon would never come close to inflicting a bite.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:12 pm to AMS
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Waiting for infection to kill the prey would mean the dragons are stalking prey for like a couple days.
Which is precisely what they do
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:14 pm to glassman
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The dragon would never get close unless they were in an enclosure. "Open plain" is the fighting arena. The dragon would never come close to inflicting a bite.
Obviously they're not close in agility to a mountain lion, but they are plenty capable of scrapping once the lion goes in for the kill.
They have thick skin and can whip their head around and bite a lions leg pretty damn quick. Obviously the cat would maul it afterwards, but I think at least one bite would be likely.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:14 pm to glassman
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Cat wins every single time.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:14 pm to Pecker
I gotta go dragon on this one.
I think the dragon baits the cat in and when the cat tried to pounce, the dragon ends up with a bit or two and the venom overcomes the cat.
If the dragon didn’t have the venom, i think the cat has a very good chance though
I think the dragon baits the cat in and when the cat tried to pounce, the dragon ends up with a bit or two and the venom overcomes the cat.
If the dragon didn’t have the venom, i think the cat has a very good chance though
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:15 pm to glassman
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The dragon would never come close to inflicting a bite.
I think you're underestimating the short-burst quickness of the dragons
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:16 pm to Pecker
Damn that burst is scary 
Just nips that animal on the heel and now just waits for it to die
Just nips that animal on the heel and now just waits for it to die
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:19 pm to TheCaterpillar
The dragon would be paralyzed from the build up of lactic acid in the bloodstream. Reptiles have very little stamina and require a long recovery period to be back to normal.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:20 pm to Pecker
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I think you're underestimating the short-burst quickness of the dragons
I'm not at all. That is a freaking buffalo. The cat would just jump over it.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:21 pm to glassman
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The dragon would be paralyzed from the build up of lactic acid in the bloodstream. Reptiles have very little stamina and require a long recovery period to be back to normal.
You keep getting hung up on this. They're not wrestling for an hour here.
The dragon would just sit there and when the Mountain Lion attacked, he'd whip his head around and give it a quick bite. The cat would not care as he would not even know its a poisonous bite and it wouldn't even hurt him that bad. It would do nothing to the cat right away, who would proceed to maul the lizard.
Then 12 hours later...
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:22 pm to StringedInstruments
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It's also a type of monitor lizard, so we're dealing with an animal much lower on the intelligence scale than a Mountain Lion.
It's also older. The dragons habits, demeanor, skills have a little more evolutionary time to breathe (800,000 years or so), and komodo's display more pack-like habits than other monitors, and group killing.
Both are ambush hunters, but Komodos don't back down, they are pretty quick to engage, from the front. So they aren't going to lie low or turn around.
Additionally, from wikipedia:
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Komodo dragons have been observed knocking down large pigs and deer with their strong tails.
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When suitable prey arrives near a dragon's ambush site, it will suddenly charge at the animal at high speeds and go for the underside or the throat.[25] Komodo dragons make no attempt to deliberately allow the prey to escape with fatal injuries, but try to kill prey outright using a combination of lacerating damage and blood loss.
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Though capable of sprinting, the cougar is typically an ambush predator. It stalks through brush and trees, across ledges, or other covered spots, before delivering a powerful leap onto the back of its prey and a suffocating neck bite. The cougar is capable of breaking the neck of some of its smaller prey with a strong bite and momentum bearing the animal to the ground.[50]
That tail is a differentiator for sure. At that power it can keep the ML at bay effectively. If it gets a couple of bites in and survives, the ML as another ambush predator will back down from the initial onslaught, not realizing the poison already at play.
I totally agree with this:
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Most likely outcome is a draw, though I don't think the Komodo Dragon has a chance to win outright. Mountain Lion does.
But if we really put money on a single fight, I'd take the underdog Komodo for sure if the odds were against him. I think there's a good enough chance he wins.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:24 pm to TheCaterpillar
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You keep getting hung up on this.
I'm not hung up on it. It is exactly what would happen.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
Mountain Lion's mouth isn't big enough to wrap around dragon's mouth / neck. Mountain lion wouldn't even try and dragon knows it would be fighting a losing battle. So, they wouldn't fight.
That said....those dragons should be hunted down and killed with fire. Every one of them. They are a mistake and need to disappear. Most disgusting creatures on the planet.
That said....those dragons should be hunted down and killed with fire. Every one of them. They are a mistake and need to disappear. Most disgusting creatures on the planet.
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