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Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:43 am to ell_13
The conclusion that we can draw from this is that if you are over 60 then your life doesn't matter, and if you think that people over 60 matter then you are incapable of thought. Facts. LOL.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:43 am to ell_13
JuSt WeAr YoUr MaSk, PlEaSe.
Otherwise, I feel you are literally trying to kill me and my family...
Otherwise, I feel you are literally trying to kill me and my family...
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:45 am to ell_13
Science only matters when it supports your preconception.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:45 am to ell_13
First of all, I think schools should open. Especially the younger kids that are too young to stay home alone and won't learn anything remotely.
But you are missing is a key point. With schools open, the kids (especially higher grades) are likely to spread it to each other and bring it home. Of course, this is the OT so we've seen studies, where parents can't give it to kids and we've seen studies saying kids can't give it to parents. Somehow kids can still get it which just means we really still don't know.
I think any comparison of h1n1 to covid-19 is flawed. Sure it affects different age groups. But spread is spread. People need to live their life but still take it seriously b/c their are many at-risk people that may not be going to school, work, the store, etc, but they are around the people doing those things.
Just curious, where did you get this number?
But you are missing is a key point. With schools open, the kids (especially higher grades) are likely to spread it to each other and bring it home. Of course, this is the OT so we've seen studies, where parents can't give it to kids and we've seen studies saying kids can't give it to parents. Somehow kids can still get it which just means we really still don't know.
I think any comparison of h1n1 to covid-19 is flawed. Sure it affects different age groups. But spread is spread. People need to live their life but still take it seriously b/c their are many at-risk people that may not be going to school, work, the store, etc, but they are around the people doing those things.
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People under 30 make up 30% of the cases, but only 0.4% of the deaths! Reminder that this age group was severely impacted by Swine Flu back in 2009 when over 2000 nationally died as a result.
Just curious, where did you get this number?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:45 am to ell_13
The death rate percentages also don't account for all the people who got the virus but did not get tested, meaning the death rate percentages are inflated.
By how much? No one really knows.
By how much? No one really knows.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:46 am to Antonio Moss
Maybe, but the number of deaths over 60 due only to COVID would be an interesting statistic. We're all going to die of something and if one were to look at the mortality rate overall for deaths of 60+ years old due to natural causes (meaning health causes) I'm certain the percentage would be higher than those of other age groups. So, it still seems a rather interesting statistic to know.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:46 am to Peazey
quote:I say in my OP that steps should be taken to protect this vulnerable group. Of course their lives matter. But they can live and take precautions and assess their own risk while the rest of the world continues on. It's not an either/or here.
The conclusion that we can draw from this is that if you are over 60 then your life doesn't matter, and if you think that people over 60 matter then you are incapable of thought. Facts. LOL.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:46 am to ell_13
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And it's a good point to remind everyone that we don't have the true case numbers either. We KNOW that there were many, many cases from January - May that were missed and still some being missed today.
Well, that’s what a crude CFR is - is deaths divided by known cases. An adjusted CFR is when we calculate unconfirmed cases - and with this age group that will be a high number.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:50 am to notbilly
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b/c their are many at-risk people that may not be going to school, work, the store, etc, but they are around the people doing those things.
Well then these people need to stay home as much as possible and have people do shopping and stuff for them.
And I would only suggest that to an extreme case if they have underlying conditions.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:56 am to Peazey
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The conclusion that we can draw from this is that if you are over 60 then your life doesn't matter, and if you think that people over 60 matter then you are incapable of thought. Facts.
That’s not true. However, you’ve proven time and time again that complex thought eludes you.
I’m sorry your application to become the 5th member of the squad was denied. Please don’t take it out on us, though.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:58 am to ell_13
Please make this shareable!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:58 am to ell_13
quote:Correct, but sadly enough, the Presidents task force is asking him to lockdown further
So if JBE adds additional closures today, know that there's no statistical, scientific basis for it.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:58 am to notbilly
quote:Studies in Germany and elsewhere have shown this not to be the case. Kids of such a low viral load that they don't seem to spread it much.
With schools open, the kids (especially higher grades) are likely to spread it to each other and bring it home.
quote:Yes, they can get it. It can spread. Most gradeschool and high school kids aren't going home to 70 year olds. Those who are should take precautions to protect those older people.
Somehow kids can still get it which just means we really still don't know.
quote:It's a novel virus. No comparison will be perfect. The point is that H1N1 significantly impacted kids and the working class compared to Covid.
I think any comparison of h1n1 to covid-19 is flawed.
quote:The CDC
Just curious, where did you get this number?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:04 am to ell_13
The cases number is proven by more than 1 Parish to be BS.
The deaths numbers are proven to be incorrectly reported. So they too are unreliable BS.
Almost this whole charade is BS.
And it will all magically disappear the middle of November.
The deaths numbers are proven to be incorrectly reported. So they too are unreliable BS.
Almost this whole charade is BS.
And it will all magically disappear the middle of November.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:11 am to ell_13
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Studies in Germany and elsewhere have shown this not to be the case. Kids of such a low viral load that they don't seem to spread it much.
This kind of study NEVER sees the light of day in the US. I can’t think of one positive scientific study that has impacted mitigation policy in the US. Even things that are proven highly unlikely to cause spread go unmentioned, which is why you see people wearing masks in their cars or by themselves outside, or wearing gloves and shite all day. This kind of behavior is never corrected by our ‘leadership’, and in fact is tacitly endorsed because they simply do not address it in the media, press conferences, etc. It’s all doom and gloom, all the time.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:12 am to ell_13
1. Isolating only those in high risk group will never end the outbreak.
2. Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
3. Overwhelmed medical resources pose a risk to all age groups. Combine this outbreak with flu this fall/winter and this will get exceedingly worse.
4. There are effects outside of just "death" in all age groups. Some of these seem to be long-term.
I'm not of the opinion everything should be shut down everywhere, but in areas where there is a clear outbreak measures should be taken. This includes school closings.
2. Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
3. Overwhelmed medical resources pose a risk to all age groups. Combine this outbreak with flu this fall/winter and this will get exceedingly worse.
4. There are effects outside of just "death" in all age groups. Some of these seem to be long-term.
I'm not of the opinion everything should be shut down everywhere, but in areas where there is a clear outbreak measures should be taken. This includes school closings.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:13 am to transcend
quote:
Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
Isn't that already happening?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:18 am to transcend
quote:The goal isn't to end anything. It's to protect those who need it. NOTHING ever suggested could end this outbreak. That's not realistic. The fact you even bring it up makes you naive.
1. Isolating only those in high risk group will never end the outbreak.
quote:Unless those lower risk individuals develop some immunity or can stay away long enough for a vaccine. You're making my point. All we can do is take precautions for those who are most at risk as best we can.
2. Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
quote:Welcome to March I guess. We aren't here anymore. Hospitals are bleeding money because they don't have their beds full. They're MEANT to be that way.
3. Overwhelmed medical resources pose a risk to all age groups.
quote:That's true for ANY illness. Colds and flu and anything else can have a lasting effect that may or may not heal or get better. Nothing has shown Covid to be any worse than others. Nothing.
4. There are effects outside of just "death" in all age groups. Some of these seem to be long-term.
quote:So you're an idiot then.
This includes school closings.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:18 am to lsuhunt555
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JBE adds additional closures today, k
We desperately need to reinvest in local politics.
No one should vote strictly based on which national federal political party your local politicians align with. Judge them based on their accomplishments and accolades in the community. Not their Ability to asskiss the feds. That’s literally counter to the founding principles of this country and we need to wake up. But we won’t. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
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