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re: An interesting case of self-defense is going to get heated in Lake Charles
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:42 am to stout
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:42 am to stout
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“So, if anyone sees a person with swim trunks on, you know for one, they’re not armed. Secondly, it’s very likely they’re coming from some type or going to some type of pool party, and so we feel like the fact that he was killed, just wasn’t justified,” Clemons said.
Going with the old, you have to match force with force to be self-defense argument. This has never been an actual thing, but so many people like to claim you can only use a firearm to defend yourself if the other person has a firearm, knife for knife...
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Clemons explained Tezeno’s family is upset law enforcement has not released the name of the man who killed Joseph.
“We’re going to keep pressure on authorities to release the man’s name because if he did nothing wrong, there’s no need to protect him. There’s no need to shield his name,” Clemons said.
So the general public can then attack this person for defending himself, his home?
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Upon investigation, authorities believe 21-year-old Joseph Tezeno was attending a party on a nearby street, became intoxicated and may have accidentally approached the wrong house.
I can honestly say, I have never been so intoxicated that I was at someone's house and just happened to end up on a different street. Not saying he was necessary doing anything wrong, but he definitely left the pool party for a reason. Also odd that he ended up in a garage, if he was just innocently trying to get back to the pool party.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:42 am to LordSaintly
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Not sure what else the homeowner could do.
When the person is black you are supposed to wait until they kill you before shooting…
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:44 am to stout
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“We’re going to keep pressure on authorities to release the man’s name because if he did nothing wrong, there’s no need to protect him. There’s no need to shield his name,” Clemons said.
No... The left won't do anything. Like harass people at dinner, their homes, nothing...
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:49 am to stout
I don't think race will play much into this, and I haven't heard of anyone doing so...
That said, the homeowner is in for an unfortunate long road of legal battle, but has nothing to worry about. Just headache and money spent (that he can hopefully get back).
That said, the homeowner is in for an unfortunate long road of legal battle, but has nothing to worry about. Just headache and money spent (that he can hopefully get back).
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:52 am to Crawdaddy
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If one is drunk and rapes a woman, he pays the price. If one is drunk, drives home, wrecks killing a family of 4, He pays the price. Same applies here
Yall can do what you want. For my sanity, I’m not shooting a young man in swim trunks to death for being in my backyard.
If he attacks me, it becomes a judgment call.
I’m glad we have laws that recognize our natural right to defend ourselves, but people seem too eager to kill each other these days.
Downvote away.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:57 am to Earnest_P
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Downvote away.
No problem. You definitely sound like someone without a family or a backbone
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:04 am to Cole Beer
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I obviously don't know all the facts of what happened, but your post is bull shite.
Not an apples to apples comparison
No, I'd say YOUR post is bull shite.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:14 am to Bourre
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. You definitely sound like someone without a family or a backbone
I would bet my life savings I have a bigger family than you do.
And I don’t know how “backbone” came to mean being cavalier about shooting people, but I think it’s a bad development.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:16 am to Jones
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The little memorial is still standing at the street to this day
I'd go mow over it
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:17 am to stout
I’m gonna refrain from commenting one way or another so that I don’t make a complete arse of myself before knowing the facts.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:18 am to Earnest_P
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And I don’t know how “backbone” came to mean being cavalier about shooting people
Don't be dull... you know he is referencing backbone with standing up for yourself, not shooting people. Essentially, you're acting like a big puss.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:19 am to stout
Homeowner is going to have to show how he was in fear of his life.
Was the kid armed? Did he act maliciously?
Based on what's here I would have a hard time believing showing up to the wrong house drunk is equivalent to threatening someone.
Was the kid armed? Did he act maliciously?
Based on what's here I would have a hard time believing showing up to the wrong house drunk is equivalent to threatening someone.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:25 am to stout
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So, if anyone sees a person with swim trunks on, you know for one, they’re not armed.
I do not know whether or not this was a justifiable shooting, but Atty Clemons is wrong on the quoted part. Just because someone is wearing shorts, you do not know if they are armed or not. Go to jail and see what happens. Do you think the arresting officer will not pat the shorts down? In jail do you think the guards will just say, "he's wearing shorts so he must not be armed" and forgo a careful search? Of course not. So why should you or I assume someone in shorts is unarmed? Anything from a small blade to a full-sized pistol (in a Thunderwear Holster) can be concealed in shorts. I agree with what someone else wrote, I'd have stayed inside and called the cops. Only if he forced entry would I have needed to respond. However, I don't know that you are obligated to stay inside. If you hear noise outside and chose to find out the cause and then are confronted, force may be needed, but without full knowledge of the facts I just don't know.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:26 am to NYNolaguy1
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Homeowner is going to have to show how he was in fear of his life.
Yeah... not how that works in Louisiana. Especially not if the kid was in the homeowners garage/shop, even if it wasn't enclosed.
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Based on what's here I would have a hard time believing showing up to the wrong house drunk is equivalent to threatening someone.
This statement just baffles me...
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:26 am to Earnest_P
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for being in my backyard.
Article says he was doing a little more than just roaming around in the backyard.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:27 am to TDsngumbo
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I’m gonna refrain from commenting one way or another so that I don’t make a complete arse of myself before knowing the facts.
GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE DUDE. LOOK AT ME, I'M WAITING FOR THE FAX MACHINE ON A MESSAGE BOARD!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:27 am to 777Tiger
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I dodged a bullet, literally, at LSU one night in a similar scenario
I know someone with a big scar on their stomach from the same situation and actually getting shot.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:27 am to LSUfanNkaty
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Essentially, you're acting like a big puss.
Big puss = not resorting to deadly force every time you suspect someone may be threatening you. Got it.
I know you’re not saying that exactly, but that is the tone of this “he wandered into a backyard he didn’t belong in and didn’t respond to commands, so tough shite” opinion held by so many.
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you know he is referencing backbone with standing up for yourself,
There are many ways short of shooting someone to stand up for yourself. People used to understand that.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:29 am to udtiger
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DON'T LEAVE THE frickING HOUSE. WAIT FOR THE frickER TO BREAK IN BEFORE YOU SHOOT HIM.
then have a ghost in your house? No think you.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:30 am to Earnest_P
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“he wandered into a backyard he didn’t belong in and didn’t respond to commands, so tough shite”
No mention of a backyard anywhere.. and wandered is silly... He attempted to come through the front door of the house, and then went to the garage/shop area, which is on the side of the house.
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“The homeowner eventually comes out of the house with a gun, walks around the front of the house, sees a Black, male subject in his garage/shop area
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