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re: Amite River - Darlington Reservoir
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:00 am to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:00 am to BottomlandBrew
In all seriousness, he’s probably not wrong. That money would be better spent dredging the Amite and Comite Rivers deeper and clearing out debris near French Settlement. Also, many smaller bayous and rivers which empty into the Amite need to be dredged also. We are overthinking all of this flood control/management.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!
Make it easier for the water to find its way to the Gulf and still strongly recommend flood insurance to those who may live in areas at risk of flooding/flash flooding.
2016 type of rains WILL happen again in our lifetimes AND we’ll likely have an event that eclipses 2016’s rains. Mother Nature will do what she wants to do - it’s up to us to deal with her wrath more efficiently. Work smarter, not harder. IMO, spending billions on reservoirs and diversion projects probably doesn’t provide as much relief as simply dredging the two rivers a few feet deeper and stricter debris management of those areas. Sell the dirt they dredge out to help recoup some of the cost.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!
Make it easier for the water to find its way to the Gulf and still strongly recommend flood insurance to those who may live in areas at risk of flooding/flash flooding.
2016 type of rains WILL happen again in our lifetimes AND we’ll likely have an event that eclipses 2016’s rains. Mother Nature will do what she wants to do - it’s up to us to deal with her wrath more efficiently. Work smarter, not harder. IMO, spending billions on reservoirs and diversion projects probably doesn’t provide as much relief as simply dredging the two rivers a few feet deeper and stricter debris management of those areas. Sell the dirt they dredge out to help recoup some of the cost.
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Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:13 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Great idea! Let's confiscate land from folks who are high-and-dry and have been living in the area for generations to keep a bunch of folks (relative newcomers) who built in a flood zone from, well, flooding!
So you’re against giving preference to those who haven’t lived there as long and have built in a flood zone because of where they live and how long they’ve been there and use the idea that others who have done the opposite for longer as justification that they should instead be given preference based on where they live instead?
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:18 am to TDsngumbo
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So you’re against giving preference to those who haven’t lived there as long and have built in a flood zone because of where they live and how long they’ve been there and use the idea that others who have done the opposite for longer as justification that they should instead be given preference based on where they live instead?
Why should my land be taken to keep your land from flooding? This wasn't a problem until the Federal Flood Insurance Program started subsidizing irresponsible development in floodplains.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:20 am to PawnMaster
I always forget about the amount of hydrologists and hydraulics engineers we have on the OT 
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:20 am to kingbob
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This is not a new idea. It was floated back when Edwin was governor.
Nice
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:24 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:or when fema started bailing out and rewarding people living in flood plains that didn't have flood insurance
Federal Flood Insurance Program started subsidizing irresponsible development in floodplains.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:30 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Why should my land be taken to keep your land from flooding? This wasn't a problem until the Federal Flood Insurance Program started subsidizing irresponsible development in floodplains.
It shouldn’t be. My point was to just point out the hypocrisy in your statement. As long as we as a society and governments continue to have the arguments centered around your argument, we will achieve zero progress on this front.
Just dredge the two rivers two-three feet deeper. That would achieve an enormous amount of flood prevention and would affect zero existing developed/undeveloped land. That’s a huge amount of additional volume that those rivers could hold before spilling over to severe levels in flood events.
Sell the dirt to developers, farmers, whoever at a slight discount and recoup a bit of the overall cost. Maybe even use some of it to build levees in some areas. But spending billions upon billions on all these fancy ideas that southeast Texas tried and FAILED at is ridiculous. How many times have areas protected by reservoirs in Texas flooded just in our lifetimes alone? I am not convinced reservoirs help as much as government officials claim they do.
KISS!
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:32 am to PawnMaster
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I believe the flooding is caused by the highways and interstates preventing water from draining naturally. I-12 is essentially a huge dam.
Fact
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:39 am to PawnMaster
They've been talking about this for 20+ years. It'll be another 20 and they'll still be just talking.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 8:45 am to TDsngumbo
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My point was to just point out the hypocrisy in your statement.
How was my statement hypocritical? I simply said it's not right to take land from person A to keep person B from flooding, particularly when person B knew he/she/it knew they were building in a flood zone (unless they were lied to by the realtor/developer which is not uncommon).
The folks I actually sympathize with are those who now flood due to changes in draining/filling in of low-lying areas to accommodate new development. However, there should be legal remedies to this outside of land theft.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 9:24 am to TDsngumbo
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KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!
Here's simple, stupid: Retain. Detain. Drain.
Let's say you have a slope. At the top of the slope you want to retain the water and force it to infiltrate. Further on down the slope you want to detain the water and carefully meter it out, which is the intended function of the Darlington Reservoir. Towards the bottom of the slope you want to drain it away as quickly as possible to get ready for the water coming from upstream.
Your dredging idea is financially, ecologically, and functionally a bad idea. It would be very expensive, harm miles and miles of riparian habitats, and offer very little benefit as far as flood control is concerned.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 9:37 am to BottomlandBrew
The land in question does not have to be taken ,the CoE can lease the land. Have any of you been in this area? It has some gravel pits and some timber resources. It is not like they are farming thousands of acres of sugar cane or wheat in this area. The land owners still could enjoy their"ruralness" if the land is leased for a dry reservoir and the people in flood prone areas could be protected.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 10:01 am to PawnMaster
New neighborhoods continuously being built in areas that flood do not help either. In EBR just look down Hoo Shoo Too, Tiger Bend, Elliot, Old Jefferson. Those are areas that have always flooded but when new neighborhoods are built, the lots are built high and instead of having empty retention ponds, they’ll create a lake so now the water has to go somewhere else and houses that didn't flood before will now flood.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 10:04 am to PawnMaster
“After tradin’ paint for four hours at that band box in Bristol, I always looked forward to Darlington.”
-Dick Trickle
“I’m too drunk to taste this chicken.”
-Colonel Harland Sanders
-Dick Trickle
“I’m too drunk to taste this chicken.”
-Colonel Harland Sanders
This post was edited on 12/13/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/13/19 at 10:20 am to TDsngumbo
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In all seriousness, he’s probably not wrong. That money would be better spent dredging the Amite and Comite Rivers deeper and clearing out debris near French Settlement. Also, many smaller bayous and rivers which empty into the Amite need to be dredged also. We are overthinking all of this flood control/management.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!
Make it easier for the water to find its way to the Gulf and still strongly recommend flood insurance to those who may live in areas at risk of flooding/flash flooding.
The Darlington Reservoir should be the number 1 priority for flood control for the entire Amite basin below it. It is estimate that it would have reduced 2016 inundation by 4 feet. This would have saved several thousand homes in 2016.
Yes we still need to clear debris out of canals, but it will only be a minor accomplishment in the grand scheme of things.
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2016 type of rains WILL happen again in our lifetimes AND we’ll likely have an event that eclipses 2016’s rains. Mother Nature will do what she wants to do - it’s up to us to deal with her wrath more efficiently. Work smarter, not harder. IMO, spending billions on reservoirs and diversion projects probably doesn’t provide as much relief as simply dredging the two rivers a few feet deeper and stricter debris management of those areas. Sell the dirt they dredge out to help recoup some of the cost.
Just about every sentence in this paragraph is so ignorant. Source: I study hydrology for a living
Posted on 12/13/19 at 10:24 am to Delacroix
There is enough elevation change where you could run a waterline to New Orleans and supply the city with enough water.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 10:28 am to BottomlandBrew
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It's amazing how many experts the OT has. PawnMaster is a hydrologist, y'all.
My God, I was just stating my opinion. I guess I'll have to preface everything I say with "I'm not an expert but".
Posted on 12/13/19 at 11:27 am to PawnMaster
quote:If this is the case, how did everything flood South of I-12?????
I believe the flooding is caused by the highways and interstates preventing water from draining naturally.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 11:30 am to T
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New neighborhoods continuously being built in areas that flood do not help either. In EBR just look down Hoo Shoo Too, Tiger Bend, Elliot, Old Jefferson. Those are areas that have always flooded but when new neighborhoods are built, the lots are built high and instead of having empty retention ponds, they’ll create a lake so now the water has to go somewhere else and houses that didn't flood before will now flood.
This is the truth. They are building subdivisions in this area that were underwater just a few years ago, which is going to make others, who may have never flooded, to flood.
There are reasons why a lot of the older houses along Tiger Bend, Hoo Shoo Too, etc, were build on piers.
Posted on 12/13/19 at 11:31 am to michael corleone
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What politicians are pushing this and who owns most of the land ?
Bingo. Certain politicians tried for years and years to do this in Washington Parish and it finally got shut down.
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