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re: American Christianity is collapsing thanks to Millennials
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
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This. Thing is, I still go to church. I like the tradition and community of being catholic. But if you hooked me up to a lie detector, it would show I simply dont beleive there is a god. It was time I stopped lying to myself.
This will probably be me in the near future. I have a 1 year old. My wife and I have never gone to church since we started dating, but both of our families are catholic. She likes the idea of church for the community aspect for our kids. A few posters have said that people always come back to the church. You would never be able to fully analyze it, but I'd be interested to find out how many people come back due to a new found belief or just because it's how they were raised and want to follow down the same path. I'm not going to make assumptions for anyone, but for me, it will definitely be the latter. Although, in my case, I think we can find plenty of community togetherness without having to go. I'll likely just go along to make both sides happy. I can put up with 1 hour a week.
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Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:25 am to lsupride87
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The downfall in Sweden will be the religious, not the atheist
OK, in this instance. What about Russia, China, Korea, Germany, Japan, Venezuela, and Italy though?
EDIT: Anchor? Booo!!!
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:28 am to OMLandshark
Yeah that anchor been here a while, overall been a pretty civil religion thread IMO
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:28 am to joeyb147
I wonder how the meth usage correlates with that.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:29 am to JumpingTheShark
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Yeah that anchor been here a while, overall been a pretty civil religion thread IMO
Yeah, most civil one in a while. We're all I think discussing higher thought well and a lot of this thread has gotten me to think. Hope I've returned the favor for others.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:29 am to OMLandshark
quote:Hitler was christian and so were the nazis. Whoops
Germany
quote:Christianity is still huge in Italy
Italy
The others I cant comment on because I am not sure of the place of religion in their history. I thought russia was still mainly christian though as well
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:31 am to lsupride87
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Hitler was christian
In situations like this, I would put Christian in quotes, big time. I get the argument but there’s such a huge difference in correct practice of Christianity and just saying you’re Christian.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:32 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Nice snapshot of data. What did those same age brackets look like 30 years ago?
As a result, the white evangelical Protestant population in the U.S. has fallen over the past decade, dropping from 23 percent in 2006 to 17 percent in 2016. But equally troubling for those concerned about the vitality of evangelical Christianity, white evangelical Protestants are aging. Today, 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants are at least 50 years old. In 1987, fewer than half (46 percent) were. The median age of white evangelical Protestants today is 55.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:33 am to JumpingTheShark
quote:Well, for arguments of this thread, it seems disingenuous to claim Christianity is great when you only count the good christians in your argument
In situations like this, I would put Christian in quotes, big time. I get the argument but there’s such a huge difference in correct practice of Christianity and just saying you’re Christian.
That would be like saying atheism is great, and only counting the good atheist in your argument....
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
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I would bet, some of the most violent states and cities would also identify as the most Christian
The most violent demo in this country doesn’t care if it’s in a majority Christian state or city.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:35 am to Tigerfan56
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
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Hitler was christian and so were the nazis. Whoops
They weren't worshipping Jesus. They were worshipping Hitler and Nazism. Their higher purpose was not serving Jesus. I don't think any rational person even at the time could defend Jesus approving of the Holocaust.
Hitler also forced the Catholic Church to acknowledge him first and foremost, something I still don't think the church has recovered from.
Hitler grew up Catholic, and look at all the shite he did to them: Clearly not a fan
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Christianity is still huge in Italy
Yes, but what was the Italians higher purpose and goals. It wasn't serving Christ. It was fascism.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
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Hitler was christian
No he wasn’t.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:42 am to lsupride87
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Well, for arguments of this thread, it seems disingenuous to claim Christianity is great when you only count the good christians in your argument
I'm not even saying that Christianity is great, but it is a central guiding set of morals that all in all was a good thing particularly in the later half of the last millennia. Conflating the Nazis with Christians is disingenuous. Just because they claimed to be such doesn't mean they actually were. If you put a gun to their head, they would be Nazis first and Christians second.
Plus the guilty little secret on how Hitler got to power was the populace really had 3 choices: continuing the Weimar which was incompetent and the laughing stock of the world, go Communist (and given what happened to Russia sane people weren't to keen on), or to go with the work programs the Nazis were proposing. If I grew up in Germany and knew nothing of what was to come, I'd probably go with the Nazis as well thinking "well they're crazy as frick, but at least they aren't the Communists." That's the guilty little secret and why you should laugh in Antifa's face when they claim no one stood up to the Nazis. It's because of groups like Antifa that the Nazis rose to power.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:48 am to JumpingTheShark
No. He likes to be observant, educated, and realistic.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:49 am to MaHittaMaHitta
Nah, sounds like trolling
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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They walked away because they simply did not believe the tenants of the faith any longer. They no longer believed.
It wasn't for you. However, that's not the case for everyone.
If people could understand this maybe people would try to stop convincing others their way is best.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:31 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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See the thing is, most people who have turned away from religion didn't do so because they lost faith in the folks running the various institutions...though I'm sure there are some. They walked away because they simply did not believe the tenants of the faith any longer. They no longer believed.
There is absolutely merit in what you are saying. And, as a Christian I understand why you feel this way. This happens to many people who can't or won't accept the "Faith" part of any religion. This is where the divide happens with most people. Many cannot have faith in something they cannot prove. Many see faith as a blind walk through life in a naive state. I do have faith in Jesus as my Savior because I believe in the Bible and the testimony of those who lived and walked with Him. I just accept that because I have faith. I respect your choice to not believe as it is your choice. In many countries you wouldn't have the ability to have a choice. Frankly, neither would I be able to pursue my faith as a Christian either. But, personally, I hope you look at Christianity again by reading and learning who Jesus is, not on a particular church doctrine. Just read His word and actually pray for His guidance in your life. You will be surprised at what happens when you genuinely meet Him halfway. God's blessing to you!
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:57 pm to celltech1981
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Speak for yourself on that one. I don't know what happened, I don't think that anybody could know what happened. There may be some powerful being that created us. I do not, however, believe that a woman who never got laid ended up having a kid fathered by that god who walked on water and rose from the dead after dying for our sins for 3 days. A lot of my family don't understand how I could even consider the big bang might be what happened yet they go watch a dude in a costume perform magic that turns a cracker in to a dead guy every sunday
I am not even say to believe in Jesus. Just to acknowledge their is some Divine plan. More people have believed in a God without Jesus than with Jesus going through the history of Earth.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:02 pm to Big_Sur
Millennials are hedonistic and don't want to be accountable for anything, including their own souls. They don't know right, from wrong, because they haven't been taught. Most come from strange, and harmful family dynamics, so they are unfamiliar with essentials of love, basic family support and norms. They think a hardened heart is like a token of acceptance, but if you break them down to the core, you will find emotional turmoil, and despair.
This has happened over the course of history and is happening again. When despair and lawlessness reach its endgame, you will eventually start to see a revival.
This has happened over the course of history and is happening again. When despair and lawlessness reach its endgame, you will eventually start to see a revival.
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