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re: American Christianity is collapsing thanks to Millennials
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:51 am to DarthRebel
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:51 am to DarthRebel
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You say that, but it is easier to believe an all powerful being created everything than the big bang just up and happened.
There is a lot we do not know and writing off there is no God is a wrong assumption.
This discussion may eventually kill the thread, but why is one more believable than the other? In both scenarios, something incredible came from nothing. Why is a being coming from nothing more believable than existence coming from nothing?
Either way, if the being is more believable, why should that lead someone to a particular religion? It's ok to not know the answer to the beginning of existence. You don't have to start worshiping something due to the unknown. Just go on living your life being a good person.
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Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In fact, you'll probably see a spiritual revival with the next couple of generations. May not be Christianity, or even religion but we're past due.
I think it's coming soon and within my lifetime. I think technological singularity will produce this... that or it will kill us.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:52 am to ElDawgHawg
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There is no way that you can justify a world without Christianity being a better place.
Explain.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:54 am to Big_Sur
Being of the one, true Christian faith of Catholicism, I blame the protestants and separatists. If only they hadn't turned from God so long ago, then Jesus's chosen people would be better prepared to quell these "unaffiliated".
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:54 am to DarthRebel
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You say that, but it is easier to believe an all powerful being created everything than the big bang just up and happened.
There is a lot we do not know and writing off there is no God is a wrong assumption.
More than likely what religion tells us about God is wrong and corrupted by man. With that being said the vastness of the Universe and the complexity of what is life is not something that just happened without a grand plan by some divine being.
This entire post is essentially an Argument from Ignorance fallacy.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:54 am to Big_Sur
Using mass media and other devices to promote a godless society was a brilliant plan for the puppetmasters hoping to implement a communistic government.
Also, churches have been stubborn in their attempts to appeal to a more formally educated and therefore more inquiring younger generation. Preaching "love" doesn't mean that you can prove God is real. Spanning the bridge to faith is often a task not seen as worthwhile by doubtful, unconvinced youth.
Also, churches have been stubborn in their attempts to appeal to a more formally educated and therefore more inquiring younger generation. Preaching "love" doesn't mean that you can prove God is real. Spanning the bridge to faith is often a task not seen as worthwhile by doubtful, unconvinced youth.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:55 am to WildManGoose
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Being of the one, true Christian faith of Catholicism, I blame the protestants and separatists. If only they hadn't turned from God so long ago, then Jesus's chosen people would be better prepared to quell these "unaffiliated".
Don’t know if you’re joking or not but there’s really no reason to go there.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:55 am to Big_Sur
We are going to see the greatest revival the world has ever known in our lifetimes.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:56 am to lsupride87
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IMHO, if it takes a belief in higher being to make you have purpose or act nice to your fellow man, you are a bad person or very low educated
You need to believe in a higher purpose. Whether that purpose is a higher being who cares if you jack off or not is up to you, but humans innately seek this.
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I am saying this about people that "need religion" in order for them to act accordingly
It is wired into our DNA, and it is wired into yours whether you know it or not. It's not that they turn into bad people when they don't have this higher purpose, but they certainly turn self destructive.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:56 am to OMLandshark
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I think it's coming soon and within my lifetime. I think technological singularity will produce this... that or it will kill us.
The last one was the late 60's and early 70's. Think acid had something to do with it.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:57 am to Big_Sur
As a Christian it is really tough to watch. I think lots of things have turned people against the church and many have been named. Remember that everyone who attends church, or is related directly to the teaching/administration of a religion are not perfect people. They are subject to the exact same temptations as everyone on the planet. Money, sex, pornography, power, wealth accumulation and the list goes on and on. These temptations affect everyone. When a religion, denomination or group fosters the ideas and beliefs of purity, wholesomeness, abstinence, giving freely of their finances/time and serving others it is easy to tear into them when they don't live up to their own proclaimed standards for all. In context, they aren't perfect and will make mistakes. That is forgivable. It's those who make a living off of this type of behavior knowingly taking advantage of others in the name of God. In my mind, yes, they can be forgiven but if they are never sincere there will surely be a hot spot in hell for them. These are the individuals who bring religion down by casting a really bad light of greed, power, wealth accumulation, self-serving, immoral or contrary life style, hypocritical behavior, lies and deception. This drives people away. Today everything is centered around "ME" and the focus is not on serving others. A legitimate religion always has as a major tenant the service of others. Christianity, while not promising salvation for these works alone, does ask everyone to serve others unselfishly with their time and resources. This commitment is not in line with the "ME" message that it is competing with. In short, it's easy to criticize hypocritical behavior, bad self serving lifestyles and phony behavior of the religious "leaders". You couple this with a world where the message of "ME FIRST" is being taught and you understand why the numbers are plummeting. As a Christian, it really bothers me to see this happening for all of the reasons I mentioned. I just keep my faith in Jesus and live to honor and please Him daily. Sadly, I'm sure the down votes will start flying in. Just had to give my $.02 on the subject.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:Then they are a broken person IMHO. It shouldn't take a higher being to keep them from being self destructive
It's not that they turn into bad people when they don't have this higher purpose, but they certainly turn self destructive.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:59 am to lsupride87
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It shouldn't take a higher being to keep them from being self destructive
A lot of people are hard wired to feel some kind of connection. Not everyone can understand it but it's definitely true.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:59 am to OMLandshark
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You need to believe in a higher purpose.
But that purpose can essentially be anything. There is zero reason it needs to be some supernatural issue.
Those of us who argue that we are unconvinced of gods existing simply find that purpose in other avenues of our life. I'm not unfulfilled in the slightest.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:00 am to lsupride87
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Then they are a broken person IMHO. It shouldn't take a higher being to keep them from being self destructive
You’re acting like this is unallowed for some reason...for some people, that is what it takes. Everyone is created differently.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:02 am to JumpingTheShark
quote:And if that it what it takes, I commend them for taking the avenue to find something to keep them on the straight and narrow
You’re acting like this is unallowed for some reason...for some people, that is what it takes. Everyone is created differently.
However, dont tell me and others who have a good fulfilled life, that we need religion.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:02 am to GeauxTigerTM
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There is zero reason it needs to be some supernatural issue.
For you, probably. For others, it definitely does.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:03 am to Big_Sur
Hell yeah!
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:04 am to lsupride87
I believe that proper Christian teaching and practice is good for everyone, but I don’t like to force it on people. I like to keep that to myself unless I’m asked
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:06 am to lsupride87
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However, dont tell me and others who have a good fulfilled life, that we need religion.
It aint for everyone.
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