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re: American Airlines cuts service to 3 cities
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:42 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:42 am to Tigeralum2008
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So from my understanding this is a self-inflicted wound by the FAA
nope, this goes back a ways and be directly attributed to four guys, Alfred Kahn, Frank Lorenzo, Dick Ferris, and Robert Crandall
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:45 am to dewster
Too bad they shut down the travel board.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:46 am to DeltaTigerDelta
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Too bad they shut down the travel board.
American Airlines pulled out of there, had no choice
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:48 am to 777Tiger
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nope, this goes back a ways and be directly attributed to four guys, Alfred Kahn, Frank Lorenzo, Dick Ferris, and Robert Crandall
You need to explain to the class. Not all of us spent our career banging flight attendants baw.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:54 am to Centinel
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You need to explain to the class
Kahn was the father of deregulation which has proven to be a colossal failure
Lorenzo began the airline business strategy of perennial bankruptcy filing as a means of abrogating debt and labor contracts, he was so bad he got kicked out of the industry for life
Ferris and Crandall spent the majority of their careers attacking the pilot profession to the point that they priced a couple of generations of kids into picking other careers because the investment to become a qualified pilot wasn't worth the return, there's the biggest single cause right there
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spent our career banging flight attendants baw.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:55 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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this is one of many reasons the "move somewhere less expensive" argument holds less and less water
I think it depends on who it's directed at. Someone making nothing in a generic job living with 6 roommates in Brooklyn and complaining? The argument still makes sense applied to them.
Someone who is just bitching about how nobody should ever buy a 750k house for...reasons? (which happens on this site) - agreed.
Personally I don't have to fly for work often, but we nonetheless fly 8-10 times a year, probably. Having to drive more than 90 minutes or so to a genuine international airport would suck.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:02 am to dewster
touche. you and GL24 make good counter points.
for me, i'd love to WFH 24/7 and live miles and miles from a local airport. But that's not reality for many professionals and wouldn't be for me either if i'm honest. (i have to travel occasionally for work)
for me, i'd love to WFH 24/7 and live miles and miles from a local airport. But that's not reality for many professionals and wouldn't be for me either if i'm honest. (i have to travel occasionally for work)
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:05 am to 777Tiger
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Kahn was the father of deregulation which has proven to be a colossal failure
Wait what?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:05 am to 777Tiger
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the investment to become a qualified pilot wasn't worth the return, there's the biggest single cause right there
Basically what I was getting at in my post
I seriously thought about a midlife crisis change in careers to chase the dream of flying.
Ultimately I decided against it because I would be 48 when I started at a regional and likely with around $60K-80K in student debt
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:05 am to dewster
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like Alexandria, LA
I'll be honest, I'm shocked they would operate there anyway. It's not far from Lafayette (an hr and change)
I could see how those pilots are better suited flying busier routes and_or bigger planes
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:09 am to the LSUSaint
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I'm shocked they would operate there anyway
Delta, Republic, Southern, and Texas International all used to have jet service to Esler Field
ETA: mainline jet service, not the bug smashers
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:15 am to dewster
Didn’t carefully read through all the replies, but AA has already said AEX was getting cut.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:16 am to member12
I think BTR, LFT and Shreveport all have at least one mainline Delta flight to ATL per day
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:21 am to GetCocky11
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The last thing I want to do is have a 2 hour drive tacked on to a multi-hour flight, but maybe that is just me
If you flew a lot - sure.
I would argue that most people fly a handful of times each year.
I love an hour from the airport in NOLA. It has never been an issue for me. Baton Rouge is an hour and a half. Lafayette is just over two hours. It just isn’t that big of a hindrance for me.
I fly maybe twice a year (five or six times in a busy year). Perhaps I’m in the minority, but I would guess that the majority of those flying do so quite regularly (weekly).
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:24 am to jimmy the leg
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I fly maybe twice a year (five or six times in a busy year). Perhaps I’m in the minority
You're not. You're in the overwhelming majority. Hell, only 20% of the people on this planet have ever flown on an airplane.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wait what?
the three that were the biggest and strongest pre de-reg are still standing and are bigger and stronger than ever, sort of defeating the purpose and fulfilling the prophecy of what other economic experts predicted at the onset of deregulation, the fact that they've learned how to maneuver the antitrust/monopoly minefield is a wonder, maybe it's just the typical gross buffoonery of the airline CEOs but they are in a position to really put a hurting on John Q. Traveler and run all of the upstarts/fly by nights into the ground, though I think they like just enough presence to give the appearance of a competitive playing field
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:25 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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this is one of many reasons the "move somewhere less expensive" argument holds less and less water
I think living somewhere less expensive can be balanced out by goo internet and remote work. If you have to travel regularly, not so much but if I could be 75% remote or more and travel the other 25% of the time I would live where I wanted not where air travel is easy.
Currently, I live 10 minutes from DFW and 15 minutes from DAL and I hate the city, but I am on a plane to often and with to short of notice to be in the country.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:27 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I live 10 minutes from DFW and 15 minutes from DAL
I feel your heat
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:28 am to Pettifogger
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Having to drive more than 90 minutes or so to a genuine international airport would suck.
All three of these cities are less travel time than that from an international airport. I don't know much about Syracuse, but Detroit and JFK/LaGuardia are pretty damn major.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:32 am to frequent flyer
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Putting my tin foil hat on...
I think they aren't that serious about adding more employees and improving their service. I suspect the airlines are aware of forecasts that business travel will dip again soon.
Could this also be fallout from vaccine mandates?
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