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re: America has reached peak obesity, obesity rates fall for the first time.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:58 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:58 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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And is it better or worse than being morbidly obese?
That’s a great question. There are certainly pros and cons on both sides.
I think the best solution is obviously to improve our foods that we eat while reducing sugar intake.
Outside of that I think that just like other things the likely story is that for morbidly obese people low dose ozempic might be preferable. I mean a small hit of coke won’t kill you (unless its laced with fentanyl), but if you take too much you’ll OD.
I’ll be shocked if by the time the dust settles we don’t see historic class action lawsuits settlements related to ozempic use. Whether it’s possible to dose and titrate the drug in such a way that people can avoid long term injuries would require more studies.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:38 pm to tide06
I’m on it, down 19lbs, feeling great, starting to fit old clothes, working out, no food noise, zero fricks given about haters. Suck a dick, bitches. ...
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:09 pm to Randall Savauge
Down 19 from what?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:24 pm to DCtiger1
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No it isn’t this is strictly a USA problem.
The US was first, like it is in a lot of things, but the rest of the world is catching up. Obesity is a massive problem in Mexico (SWIDT). The UK is nearly as obese as the US. Even Asia is getting on the obesity bandwagon. The only parts of the world where it's not a current or imminent problem is where food is not plentiful.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:43 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I can't figure out why people are so negative about these drugs. They appear to be life-changing miracle drugs that they are still discovering benefits for.
Add me to the list of people who are irrationally annoyed by these meds. It's a "miracle drug" for a self-inflicted problem, and it doesn't actually fix any of the issues that let to the problem in the first place. I do 100% understand a jump start for super obese people, but most aren't in that position.
There is so much free information about weight loss, healthy eating, exercise, etc. that I find it silly that we just shoot drugs into people and ignore the counseling needed to help these people control themselves.
And I know more than a few people on it. They absolutely have not changed any habits. They now just eat the same junk (but less of it). It completely removes the intrinsic rewards of eating clean and exercising. That high is extremely motivating to repeat the behavior.
I mean, you can live eating a handful of Cheetos everyday (and you'll lose weight), but you won't feel good.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:44 pm to RaoulDuke504
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America has reached peak obesity, obesity rates fall for the first time.
That’s because foods so damn expensive these days
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:46 pm to Norbert
quote:It certainly ain’t for lack of trying on my part.
Self-control and exercise aren’t injectable.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:48 pm to Jim Rockford
Are you suggesting obesity is a problem in countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, etc?
It’s not.
It’s not.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The only thing this thread taught me is that bjorn cyborg is either (a) a fattie, or (b) a fattie lover
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:50 pm to Randall Savauge
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I’m on it, down 19lbs, feeling great, starting to fit old clothes, working out, no food noise, zero fricks given about haters.
No one’s saying it doesn’t work.
Some people are just trying to warn you there are risks.
Glad you’ve lost weight.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 1:54 pm to HouseMom
quote:Lets get rid of blood pressure meds, ED pills, metformin, and insulin why were at it. Your argument against semi's equally apply to them. At least with semi's you're treating the source of metabolic dysfunction (obesity), and not taking a cocktail of pills to treat the myriad of symptoms like hypertension and diabetes.
Add me to the list of people who are irrationally annoyed by these meds. It's a "miracle drug" for a self-inflicted problem, and it doesn't actually fix any of the issues that let to the problem in the first place. I do 100% understand a jump start for super obese people, but most aren't in that position.
There is so much free information about weight loss, healthy eating, exercise, etc. that I find it silly that we just shoot drugs into people and ignore the counseling needed to help these people control themselves.
And I know more than a few people on it. They absolutely have not changed any habits. They now just eat the same junk (but less of it). It completely removes the intrinsic rewards of eating clean and exercising. That high is extremely motivating to repeat the behavior.
And in before "not everyone with type 2 is obese." Yes I know, but most found their way there by poor lifestyle choices, just like obese people.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:17 pm to TheRouxGuru
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The only thing this thread taught me is that bjorn cyborg is either (a) a fattie, or (b) a fattie lover
Neither. I actually have a dislike for fat people. I think they are gross and slovenly. But I see the problems they cause for the country, and I see a drug that appears to help.
Seems like a win/win.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:18 pm to HouseMom
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Add me to the list of people who are irrationally annoyed by these meds. It's a "miracle drug" for a self-inflicted problem, and it doesn't actually fix any of the issues that let to the problem in the first place. I do 100% understand a jump start for super obese people, but most aren't in that position.
Do you pay for your health insurance?
People who have lost weight tend to be healthier. That means they put less strain on the medical system and actually help reduce everyone's insurance premiums.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:19 pm to Randall Savauge
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That's about like a normal person losing 3 pounds.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:48 pm to northshorebamaman
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At least with semi's you're treating the source of metabolic dysfunction (obesity), and not taking a cocktail of pills to treat the myriad of symptoms like hypertension and diabetes.
I completely agree with you on this point, but obesity is an addiction to food just like alcohol, drugs, etc. Obesity leads other health issues, so dropping the weight is a win (absent possible side effects). The question should be WHY is a person self-sabotaging with food. That's the issue that needs to be solved at the same time.
It's such a band-aid approach to health, and it irks me. It's the reason many are so sick. We've been trained to react to health problems instead of just being on offense from the start.
And don't get me started on attempting to explain caloric deficit to some of these people. Nope, it's their hormones. Couldn't possibly be hand to mouth disease. It's a merry go round of disinformation that costs people tons of money and their health.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I've never seen so many people wishcasting for a drug to fail and for people to get horrible side effects so they can say "I told you so"
Never? You sure?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:03 pm to ronricks
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That's about like a normal person losing 3 pounds.
You have to start somewhere. I was 270 at one point (150 now) and the first 20 lbs and the last 20 lbs were the hardest to lose.
I'd just encourage him to make real lifestyle changes to keep it off once he's at his target weight. I will say that losing weight "the right way" instilled those habits in me, and semi's aren't going to do that for everyone. And that is a valid criticism of the drugs. But if just a fraction of those taking them manage to change their habits long term, that's a good thing.
And if the ones that don't change their habits have to stay on them forever, I'm not convinced that's a worse option than remaining obese and relying on a handful of other drugs to treat their hypertension, blood sugar, etc...
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:05 pm to HouseMom
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It's such a band-aid approach to health, and it irks me. It's the reason many are so sick.
What would be your plan to turn around the obesity epidemic if not using these drugs? Seems like you may be irked about these drugs because you are one of the few that has the discipline to do it and don't like the others taking the "easy" way out.
You are not going to get the majority of people in the US to diet and exercise. It just isn't happening.
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