re: Amazon mandates five days a week in office starting next year

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Glad to know everyone will spend the first three hours drinking coffee, pooping and visiting.

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In our office, it's 2-hour cycle. Huddle around the coffee pots to visit about 15 minutes, off to their offices/cubes to slug down a big, hot cup of coffee. 30 minutes later they're wandering out of the lavatory and back to the coffee pots to get a refill, 30 minutes later back to the shitter and 10-10:30 once they've emptied their colons twice, the caffeine is kicking strong finally get work on something productive.

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An easy way for Amazon to get rid of some of the workforce without layoffs. Let the ones who don't like it go elsewhere

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Exactly. Attrition without severance.

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These companies just don’t want entire buildings/campuses sitting empty anymore.

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Nah, it's because you can't train new kids out of college in a WFH environment and most WFHs aren't doing the work required. If it was saving money and making companies more productive then they'd be sticking with it.

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I dont understand wanting to work from home except to try to do less work and get away with more.

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I make it a point to work less when I'm in the office. Just to prove a point. We are "3 in and 2 WFH". But I go in at 6:30 then head to the gym at 11:00 then leave to finish from home for the 3 I'm in the office. My primary complaints for being forced into the office is:

1 - There is no face to face meetings had in the office. Nobody even checks in to see if I'm there. They check door badges for the day and they don't really do that much.
2 - There isn't a good reason from a productivity standpoint offered by the company. Just feels like a control move.
3 - I spend 90 to 120 minutes driving and $12 to $15 in fuel a day that I drive in. And there isn't anything to necessitate me be in the office other than someone "said so".
4 - My job requires so much after hours work, that a requirement for me to be in the office seems like it should be accompanied by a "I am not required to work on my time from home" policy.

I'll drive to the office, but the results won't be a more productive day.

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t 40+ hours in an office 5 days a week is also not particularly necessary as well.

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In their opinion it is. It is their company and if that is what they want and you want to work there comply. If not quit and go somewhere else.

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because these companies own/lease real estate.

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In the last few years Amazon built a huge second headquarters in Arlington, they have to justify that.

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I dont understand wanting to work from home except to try to do less work and get away with more. I feel like people who fight for working at home are lazier than those that actually show up. Just my opinion.

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I don’t know that I would want permanent work from home, but a day or two a week works wonders for both my attitude as well as my productivity. Being able to focus on higher level tasks that require problem solving and creativity is a hell of a lot easier when I don’t have people asking questions all day.

I generally assume that anyone who doesn’t “understand” the productivity draw of WFH periods likely doesn’t do much, if any, higher level thinking as part of their job.

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Office culture is a myth. It's never what the higher ups think it is.

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The first statement is incorrect. The second is debatable. Regardless, organizational culture benefits more from working on site than it does from employees working from home.