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re: amazing: Louisiana leads rest of nation in newly released reading score improvements
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is fools gold. The new rules dictated we hold back lower performers so what we are seeing is an arbitrary spike in the students whose scores were reported. This is to make certain politicians look good.
Guess what? When these scores are released next year, those lower performers will be recorded and the scores will plummet.
Guess what? When these scores are released next year, those lower performers will be recorded and the scores will plummet.
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:10 pm to Salmon
I’m not sure where Louisiana actually ranks.
I made by statement based off the assumption that the data that determined the increase was based off population public school standardized testing.
Schools teach the test. Schools cheat on standardized test. Schools manipulate factors that determine what “category” students may fall in and this can impact the weight of the students standardized test score.
A lot of the top schools in the state know how to manipulate the data and play the game.
Me personally, I do not believe in accountability in Louisiana in the current form.
Why didn’t they manipulate it before? They may have just decided to learn how to “play the game”. The formula for scoring the test could have changed. Too many factors to answer that question.
I made by statement based off the assumption that the data that determined the increase was based off population public school standardized testing.
Schools teach the test. Schools cheat on standardized test. Schools manipulate factors that determine what “category” students may fall in and this can impact the weight of the students standardized test score.
A lot of the top schools in the state know how to manipulate the data and play the game.
Me personally, I do not believe in accountability in Louisiana in the current form.
Why didn’t they manipulate it before? They may have just decided to learn how to “play the game”. The formula for scoring the test could have changed. Too many factors to answer that question.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:12 pm to Limitlesstigers
That’s how we learned back in the day. And reading skills developed with a program called SRA. Maybe if the education powers that be got back to the basics vs all of the social bs and catering to those who aren’t able to keep up and need SPED, we could do better.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:14 pm to theunknownknight
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This is fools gold. The new rules dictated we hold back lower performers so what we are seeing is an arbitrary spike in the students whose scores were reported. This is to make certain politicians look good.
This law goes in to effect this year.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:25 pm to Shaun176
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This law goes in to effect this year
Some schools already started knowing the law was coming*
*Source: DeepSeek
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:43 pm to lionward2014
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There's not much in this state to be happy about, let's take our small victories.
I pity this mindset.
Do you have a six figure income? Does your spouse?
If you answered yes to either in Louisiana, you should be doing alright. If you answered yes to both, you should be having a helluva time
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:31 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Mississippi led the nation in 4th grade gains in math and reading from 2013-2024.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:06 am to Ignatius Reilly
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What has changed since Brumley became state superintendent in 2020 are several policy shifts and laws to address the longstanding literacy crisis in La. Among those are a phonics-based approach to teaching reading and corresponding, meaningful professional development for teachers, high-dosage tutoring, and literacy screeners that monitor reading abilities with prescriptive interventions.
That was a really wise decision to go back to phonics-based reading education. I recently listened to a podcast series call "Sold a Story" that talked about how in the late 90's thru the early 00's, there was a push to use Reading Recovery/Whole Language methods that ditched phonics. Listening to how this change negatively impacted literacy in schools across the country was jaw-dropping. It pissed me off.
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"Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong" is a podcast series by journalist Emily Hanford that explores the controversial methods used to teach reading in American schools. The podcast investigates how millions of children in the U.S. struggle to read because schools have adopted reading instruction methods that are not supported by cognitive science. These methods often overlook phonics, focusing instead on guessing words from context or using pictures, which has been proven less effective. It delves into the history of these reading strategies, particularly highlighting the influence of four authors and a publishing company. The podcast traces back to the work of Marie Clay and her Reading Recovery program, which emphasized using context clues over phonics, leading to widespread adoption of similar approaches in schools.
And to give you an idea of how dumb the new approach was:
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The Whole Language Approach to reading instruction, which gained significant popularity in the late 20th century, is based on the following principles:
Philosophy: It posits that reading should be taught in the context of whole, meaningful texts rather than through isolated skills like phonics. The approach emphasizes understanding and enjoyment of literature, suggesting that reading should be as natural as learning to speak.
Key Components:
Literature-Based: Uses real literature for reading instruction rather than phonics drills or basal readers.
Meaning First: Focuses on the meaning of texts, encouraging children to use context clues, pictures, and prior knowledge to guess words rather than decoding each word phonetically.
Language Immersion: Believes in immersing children in language-rich environments where they can naturally pick up reading skills through exposure to texts.
Teaching Strategies:
Predictable Books: Use of repetitive, predictable texts where children can guess words from context or patterns.
Shared Reading: Teachers read aloud with students, pointing to words to help connect speech with written language.
Writing: Encouraging writing from an early age to foster a natural understanding of language structure and spelling.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:16 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
I see the word guess or guessing a lot in their description
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:38 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
Nobody answered my question.
Is this new phonics approach related to the DIBELS testing?
As they should. If a kid isn’t reading on level by 3rd grade, studies show they’ll never catch up. That’s why we have illiterate kids graduating HS
Is this new phonics approach related to the DIBELS testing?
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The new rules dictated we hold back lower performers
As they should. If a kid isn’t reading on level by 3rd grade, studies show they’ll never catch up. That’s why we have illiterate kids graduating HS
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:05 pm to Old Man and a Porch
So you’re just throwing shite at the wall then. This aren’t cooked up numbers. I promise you they wouldn’t do that just for Louisiana.
This is success. Thanks Governor Landry and Mr. Brumley.
This is success. Thanks Governor Landry and Mr. Brumley.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:37 pm to Lickitty Split
Believe what you like. As someone who worked in the schools, accountability and all that goes along with it is bogus.
The only way for that increase to take place was to look at standardized test scores.
I’m telling you, schools manipulate and cheat to increase accountability scores.
An example, a few years ago schools received more points for students who passed CLEP tests for college credit. What did schools do, they had Hispanic students take Spanish CLEP test so they could pass and get more points.
Another example, a few years ago schools received more points for students that made a 3 or 4 on AP tests. The easiest AP class was Human Geography. Schools would load freshman in those classes to get a 3 or 4.
Those are just a couple ways schools manipulate accountability scores. Some just flat out cheat on the test themselves.
You believe what you like, but to me it’s all bogus.
The only way for that increase to take place was to look at standardized test scores.
I’m telling you, schools manipulate and cheat to increase accountability scores.
An example, a few years ago schools received more points for students who passed CLEP tests for college credit. What did schools do, they had Hispanic students take Spanish CLEP test so they could pass and get more points.
Another example, a few years ago schools received more points for students that made a 3 or 4 on AP tests. The easiest AP class was Human Geography. Schools would load freshman in those classes to get a 3 or 4.
Those are just a couple ways schools manipulate accountability scores. Some just flat out cheat on the test themselves.
You believe what you like, but to me it’s all bogus.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Phonics in Kindergarten and 1st grade
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:19 pm to pelicanpride
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Amazing what happens when you focus on phonics and decodable words when they are young instead of having them look at the picture and guess. I’m so furious about the way my oldest was taught to read. I couldn’t figure out why this bright kid was struggling so much to learn to read. I finally got him diagnosed as dyslexic, and guess what the school finally taught him in intervention? Phonics. I mean, you have to be kidding me. He’s a pretty good reader now.
It sounds like Louisiana has it together, but if you live somewhere that doesn’t offer phonics-based reading, do yourself a favor and buy these books. Don’t even read the books they send home. LINK
Relax
They cant even read at the level of their peers in 2019.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:20 pm to Old Man and a Porch
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Those are just a couple ways schools manipulate accountability scores. Some just flat out cheat on the test themselves.
You believe what you like, but to me it’s all bogus.
Correct and its how they can point at something to justify raises, etc.
But if the fix is in, guess what?
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Id like to see where Guam ranked. Seriously the federal government has to step in an take over this island.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:21 pm to pelicanpride
Listen to the podcast ‘Sold a Story’ it’s about parents discovering their kids can’t read and then learning the teaching method was all wrong. Exactly what you stated.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
We coming!
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:42 am to Ingeniero
quote:He also removed a lot of discipline metrics from schools score so they can suspend kids and not hurt the school. He has stated he wants discipline to return to the classroom.
Brumley is a good dude and has cut out a lot of dumb shite that wasn't working for Louisiana. He was on the shortlist for Trump's DOE because of it.
The switch to the phonic based system has also been huge. Will Louisiana ever be #1, unlikely, but it’s huge for the state to be right in the middle vs being dead last.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:33 am to purrfect
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Listen to the podcast ‘Sold a Story’ it’s about parents discovering their kids can’t read and then learning the teaching method was all wrong. Exactly what you stated.
I’ve listened to it. I always had this intuition that the way my oldest was taught to read made no sense. Imagine how hard it would be to learn to read if instead of using phonics, you were just given a string of letters and told to remember what word it represents.
I’m starting to come to the conclusion that our public school system has everything backwards. They want to teach kids to enjoy to read before they teach them how to read. They want to teach them how to manipulate numbers logically in their heads before simply teaching them how to arrive at the correct answer with basic math. They want to teach them how to write compelling stories before teaching them basic grammar. It’s as if they don’t understand that the kids need a solid foundation before anything of worth can happen.
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