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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:13 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:13 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Just wait till the national media gets footage of this years past spanish town parade. It's going to be very ugly for Baton Rouge.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:13 pm to Asgard Device
Yes we had some of the first ones rolled out for usage. Most are not secured like a GoPro on a helmet cam. when you run you can barely see the footage b/c of all the movement.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:14 pm to T
So the dispatch call said he had a gun in his pocket. I'm still at a loss for an explanation on why the decided to tackle him and effectively eliminate any room for error while struggling on the ground with a gun in his pocket. If you're going to make that move I think you need to be 100% sure it will work, or as close to it as possible.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:14 pm to ThatMakesSense
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I doubt the Triple S was so inclined to have CCTV.
I was responding to this the post that said the convenient store footage had not been released.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:14 pm to RB10
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You don't attack someone and then get to claim killing them was self defense because they pushed or punched you. You're going to have to try harder to push your bullshite
The moment you fear for your life you can use that lethal force. If you tackle me and are hitting me in the face it would certainly be a valid defense.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:15 pm to ThatMakesSense
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I doubt the Triple S was so inclined to have CCTV.
Except that the police already stated that they have the security video
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:15 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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And you show the film and ask the jurors.."and where does it look like he is actively reaching for his gun"?
You been in entire thread, you're not this dense. You know it goes both ways you can't see that he isn't either, so what's your point? You think police are roaming around like The Purge looking to drop bodies?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:15 pm to Dire Wolf
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Deal
You're going to pay him $100 to stick his finger in your arse?
I foresee an oops I couldn't stop you, here is your hundred.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:16 pm to bmy
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The moment you fear for your life you can use that lethal
I will fix that for you
The moment a cop fears for his life he can use that lethal.
You try using the fear for your life defense during a regular altercation and see how far it gets you.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:17 pm to bmy
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The moment you fear for your life you can use that lethal force. If you tackle me and are hitting me in the face it would certainly be a valid defense
If you attack me and then shoot me when I start to kick your arse, you're going to jail for murder. Otherwise all anyone would have to do to get away with killing someone is attack them until they get shoved or hit back.
Again, you're going to have to try harder to push your bullshite.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:18 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I'll say this about leaders in BR and at LSU - they've learned from all the previous issues in other locations and they're proactively getting out in front of it. People may misconstrue that as sympathizing with Sterling, but the fact of the matter is that protesters don't actually about the facts, they care about what you're going to do to appease them. You may want them to tell people to F-off, but that is an unwise position for someone in leadership in a time like this.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:19 pm to AjaxFury
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? You think police are roaming around like The Purge looking to drop bodies?
No I don't. But I do think that sometimes some policeman get much too jumpy and cross the line when they get scared or even confused. I think that not all policemen are trained or absorb the training on how to not escalate a situation.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:19 pm to slackster
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I'm still at a loss for an explanation on why the decided to tackle him and effectively eliminate any room for error while struggling on the ground with a gun in his pocket
The dash cam, surveillance cam and body cam will paint a clearer picture of what happened leading up to the altercation.
Had they drawn their weapons upon arrival they'd be lampooned for it. They're in a no win situation here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:19 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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You try using the fear for your life defense during a regular altercation and see how far it gets you.
It would and has gotten plenty of people off of charges. If you fear for your life, you can use lethal force as a civilian.
A regular altercation doesn't include a threat that is armed with a pistol either.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:20 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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But I do think that sometimes some policeman get much too jumpy and cross the line when they get scared or even confused. I think that not all policemen are trained or absorb the training on how to not escalate a situation.
So, you're saying these two officers tried to taser the guy, then tried to take him down by force, THEN lied about him reaching for a gun just so they could shoot him?
Because that's what it sounds like and that's retarded.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:23 pm to logjamming
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Had they drawn their weapons upon arrival they'd be lampooned for it. They're in a no win situation here.
Perhaps they're in a no win situation with others, but not with me. No one is suggesting the come in with their guns drawn, but that seems to be a better option than taking him to the ground while he is armed and you're not confident you can handle him. He shrugged off two attempts at being tasered and he was obviously a big man. Pulling your weapon at that point and giving him orders while waiting for back up seems like a better option, even without the benefit of hindsight.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:23 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Except that the police already stated that they have the security video
How upset are you going to be when nothing comes of this?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:23 pm to RB10
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If you attack me and then shoot me when I start to kick your arse, you're going to jail for murder. Otherwise all anyone would have to do to get away with killing someone is attack them until they get shoved or hit back
You're delusional. I may get a lesser charge but I certainly wouldn't go to jail. Blows to the head are life threatening..
And I don't agree with it as a defense. Especially when the instigator is the one claiming self-defense.
But this is reality and we live in a litigation friendly society.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:23 pm to MrLarson
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You're going to pay him $100 to stick his finger in your arse?
I foresee an oops I couldn't stop you, here is your hundred.
How 'bout we up the stakes here... $200 and instead of his finger it's his penis.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:24 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No I don't. But I do think that sometimes some policeman get much too jumpy and cross the line when they get scared or even confused. I think that not all policemen are trained or absorb the training on how to not escalate a situation.
Okay, I'll grant you that.
And I'll add that I think sometimes people make a split second decision when they know they are going to jail for a long time:
whether they are going to submit & take the years, or choose suicide by cop b/c they are tired of fighting
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