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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:35 pm to shawnlsu
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:35 pm to shawnlsu
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And if he goes for his weapon while you wait on backup, your backup might as well be the coroner. If he did have a gun and reached for it, good shoot 100% of the time.
Yeah no doubt, and that happened anyway. My concern is that taking him to the ground where you may or may not be able to subdue him gives you little to no room for error. The slightest struggle will be construed as an attempt to get his weapon or your weapon and someone is going to end up dead. That decision fails the cost-benefit analysis IMO.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:35 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:37 pm to saint tiger225
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I understand why people are so upset at this situation, but why is the black community so fricking hypocritical? Why not riot over every killing? Cops aren't out there hoping and wishing to kill black people, or anyone else for that matter. However, my time in the streets, I can't say the same for certain people I was around. I've lost numerous black friends being murdered, not at the hands of cops, but at the hands of people of their own race. Two of them even grew up with the guys that killed them.
Until they start treating EVERY murder like this, nothing will change and we all know this.
They'll have a few "community leaders" and politicians out there hoping to get re-elected, but what are they going to do when, in the next week, if a black kills another black? These police killings are hardly a fraction of their problems, yet that's what we'll hear over the next couple of months as being the reason for all their problems.
I'm not trying to take away from what happened to Alton, but I didn't want to start another thread for my thoughts and questions so I lumped it in here.
PS - I only replied to you tang bc you were last post when I opened.
No doubt man. So much misappropriation of rage and victimization. Their problems are within their own communities, and its completely sad that this isn't realized by so many.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:38 pm to crkelly91
yeah... because baton rouge needs hundreds of protestors screwing with traffic. 
just protest on the sidewalks, please.
just protest on the sidewalks, please.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:38 pm to bmy
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If we got into an altercation that I started and you started to "beat my arse" (as you put it) I would have a strong legal defense for shooting and killing you. It would be iron clad if you tackled me and started to strike me in the head or neck region.
You'd be dead and I'd be injured but a free man. Even though its shitty.
People who didn't even start a bar fight can be charged with murder if they kill someone during one. Yet, you're going to tell me you can start a fight and kill the guy and get off all charges.
What you're saying is I can walk up to the guy who hit my truck, punch him, kill him when he hits me back and be free of all charges as long as I can say I feared for my life. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:38 pm to RB10
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So, you're saying these two officers tried to taser the guy, then tried to take him down by force, THEN lied about him reaching for a gun just so they could shoot him?
I did not say anything close to that. In fact I did not even mention the officers.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:39 pm to RB10
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I agree 100%. Which is why I commend the officers for attempting to take him down without deadly force first. Which, coincidentally, you're arguing against.
I'm arguing against it being the best decision for all involved, particularly for the officers. You may think their intentions were great, but if that decision was against protocol and is determined to have escalated the situation, they may have an issue. I think it is reasonable to question the move even if they thought they were doing the right thing. Surely there is some sort of training and protocol to which they should defer, but I'm not sure if this was it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:39 pm to lsuhunt555
What's lost in all this is the endless cycle the baiters from both sides are creating:
- Some BLM rhetoric - people openly declaring "war on cops" & asking for blood
- Police are aware of this going into encounters having to assume it's possible this could be a person who adopted this philosophy.
- Bad apples in the police force have fostered mistrust over the years, and haven't done a lot or are unable to repair that bridge
It's sad & frustrating really. I hate all of this so much.
- Some BLM rhetoric - people openly declaring "war on cops" & asking for blood
- Police are aware of this going into encounters having to assume it's possible this could be a person who adopted this philosophy.
- Bad apples in the police force have fostered mistrust over the years, and haven't done a lot or are unable to repair that bridge
It's sad & frustrating really. I hate all of this so much.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:40 pm to Lsupimp
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illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs
This confused the frick out of me until I realized it should have been CDS: Controlled Dangerous Substance.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:41 pm to LSUgirl4
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just protest on the sidewalks, please.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:41 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No I don't. But I do think that sometimes some policeman get much too jumpy and cross the line when they get scared or even confused. I think that not all policemen are trained or absorb the training on how to not escalate a situation.
Well you just ruled out that all men and women are created equal now didn't you?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:41 pm to ThatMakesSense
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How upset are you going to be when nothing comes of this
Won't be upset at all. I already know what the outcome will be. No charges. The police department and city will settle with the family.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:41 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:
I understand why people are so upset at this situation, but why is the black community so fricking hypocritical? Why not riot over every killing? Cops aren't out there hoping and wishing to kill black people, or anyone else for that matter. However, my time in the streets, I can't say the same for certain people I was around. I've lost numerous black friends being murdered, not at the hands of cops, but at the hands of people of their own race. Two of them even grew up with the guys that killed them.
Until they start treating EVERY murder like this, nothing will change and we all know this.
They'll have a few "community leaders" and politicians out there hoping to get re-elected, but what are they going to do when, in the next week, if a black kills another black? These police killings are hardly a fraction of their problems, yet that's what we'll hear over the next couple of months as being the reason for all their problems.
I'm not trying to take away from what happened to Alton, but I didn't want to start another thread for my thoughts and questions so I lumped it in here.
PS - I only replied to you tang bc you were last post when I opened.
No doubt man. So much misappropriation of rage and victimization. Their problems are within their own communities, and its completely sad that this isn't realized by so many.
this is spot on. its a tiresome narrative...
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:42 pm to lsuhunt555
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And there is a better chance you or I would be dead if he indeed had a gun.
Perhaps, but how is drawing your weapon on an armed suspect put us in more danger than tackling that armed suspect?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:43 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I did not say anything close to that. In fact I did not even mention the officers.
Who else are you insinuating lied about him reaching for the gun then?
You can't wiggle out of your comments that easily.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:43 pm to DeltaDoc
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He still resisted arrest and was a felon in possession of a firearm.
Is that punishable by death?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:44 pm to slackster
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You may think their intentions were great, but if that decision was against protocol and is determined to have escalated the situation, they may have an issue.
So, what exactly do you call attempting to taser the suspect if it's not escalating? You're acting like their first instinct was to rush the guy and tackle him. That's not what happened.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:44 pm to slackster
if any of yall want to have fun, look up Triple S on google maps.
Earlier I just wanted to know where this was in BR, but on google earth they have some democrats selling "free cell phones" in the parking lot. hmmmm....seems like this is a normal thing for the Triple S to allow locals to sell things in their parking lot, so yes I think they are making some extra money off of them.
Earlier I just wanted to know where this was in BR, but on google earth they have some democrats selling "free cell phones" in the parking lot. hmmmm....seems like this is a normal thing for the Triple S to allow locals to sell things in their parking lot, so yes I think they are making some extra money off of them.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:45 pm to Commandeaux
Yes in some countries
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:46 pm to Commandeaux
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Is that punishable by death?
No, it's not a punishment or a verdict, but common sense should dictate if a person of any race chooses to get into a physical altercation with the police when you have a concealed weapon on you , there's a good chance the result is death. Semantics.
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