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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to Putty
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to Putty
quote:
does that about sum it up?
Basically. There have been very few in this thread who have suggested #9 though, and some of us, myself included, have questioned what steps, if any, could have been taken before it ended up in a physical altercation on the ground.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to RB10
Him simply moving his hand toward that pocket is enough to justify the shoot.
If the vid shows him reaching for the pocket, this a textbook shoot. They handled it perfectly.
If he's not, those cops may in trouble
If the vid shows him reaching for the pocket, this a textbook shoot. They handled it perfectly.
If he's not, those cops may in trouble
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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That's not how it works in court.
Well at least we know you aren't a lawyer.
FWIW, that is EXACTLY how it works in court. The Defense, assuming this goes to trial, says "he went for a gun" and the Prosecution (who bears the burden of proof) has to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that he wasn't doing that.
I mean, you couldn't be more wrong in your statement if you tried. Damn.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to MightyYat
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The location of the gun is a non-issue here.
You better learn to DOJ so they can cancel their investigation.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:07 pm to lsunurse
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People holding signs didn't seem to care, seemed to be more interested in getting on TV
Of course thats all they care about.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:08 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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That's not how it works in court
How does it work in court? The defendant is presumed to have unjustifiably murdered Alton Sterling?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:08 pm to slackster
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I'm sorry but I fail to see the logic in tackling him at that point.
This was more my point. I don't think this is murder but I think the cops are grossly incompetent
Their lack of ability to handle their job got someone killed.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:09 pm to Putty
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can somebody fill me in?
After watching the video and reading about this for 15 minutes or so, I have learned that:
(1)this guy was a felon
(2)who was carrying a firearm and
(3)was resisting arrest and
(4) the officers attempted to subdue him without lethal force and without even drawing their weapons
(5) and then one cop yells he has a gun
(6) and then the other cop draws and tells him not to move or he'll shoot
(7) and then the perp does or does not grab or reach for his gun
(8) and then the cop who didn't draw his weapon originally, who only drew the weapon after he heard the perp has a gun, who warned the perp not to move or he would shoot, fires two shots,
(9) and this is automatically racist murder
does that about sum it up?
Yep.
Murdered, nothing to see here.
More arrests than years the Cane's girl was alive. Felon in poss. of a firearm while resisiting arrest, then died due to his actions. Time to riot.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
dispatch audio LINK
Sterling's mother revealed to the media that Sterling had a prior history with police that included felony arrests. Court records show his arrest history includes:
•9/09/96 aggravated battery
•10/31/97 2nd degree battery
•1/06/98 simple battery
•5/04/00 public intimidation
•9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
•9/04/01 domestic violence
•5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
•7/11/05 receiving stolen things
•9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
•3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
•4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
•4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
•6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
•10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
•8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
•4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
•6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession
Sterling's mother revealed to the media that Sterling had a prior history with police that included felony arrests. Court records show his arrest history includes:
•9/09/96 aggravated battery
•10/31/97 2nd degree battery
•1/06/98 simple battery
•5/04/00 public intimidation
•9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
•9/04/01 domestic violence
•5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
•7/11/05 receiving stolen things
•9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
•3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
•4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
•4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
•6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
•10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
•8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
•4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
•6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:09 pm to slackster
quote:
There have been very few in this thread who have suggested #9 though,
Oh, I get that. I'm talking about the national viewpoint, not the opinions of the bastion of humanity that is the OT
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:10 pm to lsunurse
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The signs I saw people holding on CNN you could barely read what they said. People holding signs didn't seem to care, seemed to be more interested in getting on TV.
Yeah of course. I think there are valid questions that should be answered about the situation, but the protesters are 100% useless and don't give two shits about the truth one way or the other. They found their catalyst and they'll run with it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
You seem very uneducated.
Especially in regards to use of force situations and the law.
Especially in regards to use of force situations and the law.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
BTW, I don't know why everyone is all excited for DOJ to be investigating.
Y'all do realize that they have a HIGHER BURDEN of proof for a violation than a state agency?
They have to prove not only that they unjustifiably murdered this guy but that they did so solely because of his skin color. That just ain't going to happen. Not surprised that the DA was quick to give the case up.
Y'all do realize that they have a HIGHER BURDEN of proof for a violation than a state agency?
They have to prove not only that they unjustifiably murdered this guy but that they did so solely because of his skin color. That just ain't going to happen. Not surprised that the DA was quick to give the case up.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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There is no witness that said he went for his gun. The witness stated the cops pulled a gun from inside of his pocket after he was killed But you are correct. We will find out if and when the store security camera footage is released
Has there been any footage released showing him pointing a gun at someone which supposedly initiated the 911 call? I may be totally off on this one but I have a hunch someone called the cops on him because they had a beef and knew he was armed and would get arrested. He was probably trying to lose the gun not shoot the cops with it. Sucks being a felon.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:10 pm to jbgleason
And you show the film and ask the jurors.."and where does it look like he is actively reaching for his gun"?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:11 pm to haikarate
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I want the riot thread back.
You and me both.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:11 pm to 91TIGER
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Ours are like this, not too hard to knock off in an altercation.
Yikes. It doesn't even loop through a hole in the shirt? Just a clip that uses pressure?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:12 pm to T
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:13 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Has there been any footage released showing him pointing a gun at someone which supposedly initiated the 911 call?
I doubt the Triple S was so inclined to have CCTV.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:13 pm to jbgleason
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They have to prove not only that they unjustifiably murdered this guy but that they did so solely because of his skin color.
Civil rights don't just apply to skin color. My and your civil rights can be violated if a cop unjustifiably shoots me or you and the shooting does not have to be about race.
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