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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:08 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:08 pm to UpToPar
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. He complies and is arrested.
You don't know this. You know if he lays on the ground they aren't going to gently cuff him. They're going to pounce on him like most cops do. He probably squirms or what not. Who is to say that they don't feel a gun and the same thing happens?
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:08 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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But it's protocol to wrestle an armed man to the ground.? Link it up.
This
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:08 pm to Boxcar
Charlotte. Not too far away.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Given that you have head start with guns are drawn, fingers in triggers, loaded, and pointed at him, it's a much better scenario than wrestling him to the ground . With trained policeman, 100 times out of 100 times if he goes for the gun he will be shot by both before his hands are in his pocket
They were trying to avoid having to shoot him, hence why they attempted to tackle and apprehend him.
If they wanted to shoot him, they would have done exactly what you suggested.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Given that you have head start with guns are drawn, fingers in triggers, loaded, and pointed at him, it's a much better scenario than wrestling him to the ground . With trained policeman, 100 times out of 100 times if he goes for the gun he will be shot by both before his hands are in his pocket
Playing devils advocate. They get to the scene and see Alton. He matches the description of the call. They draw and command him to surrender. He makes a move and they shoot him. Only to find out he didn't have a gun and is not the person reported. Not a good situation. They handled this like Alton was unarmed and they were trying to detain him without bloodshed. Unfortunately he was armed and the current events unfolded.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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fingers in triggers, loaded, and pointed at him
Oh dear God.....you really are clueless.
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With trained policeman, 100 times out of 100 times if he goes for the gun he will be shot by both before his hands are in his pocket
If they acted like you are saying, they would be criticized even worse. Drive up, draw guns, aim, and tell someone if your hands drop below your waist, we will shoot. Then, when he simply rests his arms, you shoot, and kill him. And people like you scream, "He was simply resting his arms!!!! He wasn't going for any gun!!!!!"
And keep in mind, when they roll up, before they tackle him, they don't know he is armed.
And you want the to aim their guns, with fingers in triggers, and aim, at possibly an unarmed guy? Because you wouldn't criticize cops if they did that???
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to Puck82
It's like double irony of it wasn't him on whom the cops were called.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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with guns are drawn, f
Guns adrawn dawg
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to baybeefeetz
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You a cop?
Long time ago.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to slackster
Sad day for my city... and sad times that this is being exploited to this extent. And sad for everyone who finds joy and opportunity through these situations. Hurts when it's this close to home. We got to find a way... to bring some loving here today.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:10 pm to fr33manator
Ooh good catch.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to lake2280
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You are a stupid frick. You make that demand and he drops his hands below his waist and they both shoot and kill him. If that shite is on video liquor stores and rent a centers would be on fire as we type.
They still killed him. How/why would your scenario be any different?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to Schmelly
If anyone wants to lose anymore faith in young black people, get on Twitter and periscope. Smh
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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You back up a few feet, stand with your guns drawn, inform him that if his hands move below his chest that both of you will shoot. All while calling for back up. You don't wrestle a presumably armed man to the ground.
The tackle came after tasers were shot so physical altercation had already begun. We dont know why the tasers were shot so maybe he already made a threatening move, we won't know until the cctv comes out. You seem to make the situation a calm one, when in fact it was the complete opposite.
My point is when the cops showed up and he didn't comply he put is life into their hands, and his actions caused for the cops to react. Now can you imagine how people would react if he simply moved his hands below his chest and the cops unloaded on him, he wasn't complying before and he didn't comply after guns were drawn.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to slackster
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If they would have backed up and shot him dead, you'd say "yea, tackle the armed suspect who is 300 pounds. Great plan."
This works both ways. If they draw their guns and wait for him to reach for his before shooting him there would undoubtedly be people asking why they didn't try to apprehend him before he pulled the gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to nc14
Yeah was actually in Raleigh this morning.
Charlotte has become a nice town these past couple of decades.
Richmond not as well.
I guess when Im down Ill buy the rounds after all the crap I put you through you earned it.
At least you give me a run for the money.
Charlotte has become a nice town these past couple of decades.
Richmond not as well.
I guess when Im down Ill buy the rounds after all the crap I put you through you earned it.
At least you give me a run for the money.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:11 pm to LNCHBOX
I fail to understand why anyone does not understand why cops shoot people that we find out later are career criminals and have a history of resisting arrest.
99.9% of you will never be in that circumstance, cops deal with the risk of it daily.
Judge them by their actions in that moment. Not what you think should have been done when you weren't there.
THEY, not you are fighting for their lives there. Don't forget their first priority is to go home alive after their shift ends.
Do you morons want cops to do NOTHING but watch while felons run wild? Because they know every thing they do will be nitpicked to death to try and put them behind bars instead of the criminals?
99.9% of you will never be in that circumstance, cops deal with the risk of it daily.
Judge them by their actions in that moment. Not what you think should have been done when you weren't there.
THEY, not you are fighting for their lives there. Don't forget their first priority is to go home alive after their shift ends.
Do you morons want cops to do NOTHING but watch while felons run wild? Because they know every thing they do will be nitpicked to death to try and put them behind bars instead of the criminals?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:12 pm to Festus
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Just goes to show you have no earthly idea the protocol they follow. Hint: This isn't it, for any PD in mankind that I'm aware of.
People keep saying this, but we've seen time after time they roll up guns drawn in situations like this, but now it is a ridiculous proposition? I don't get it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:12 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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But it's protocol to wrestle an armed man to the ground.? Link it up.
I didn't say that, but so funny you ask me for a link, but you never link the protocol you lay out of pulling up, drawing guns, finger in trigger, and shooting if his arms drop below his waist.
How about you link up your protocol since you are the one espousing it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:12 pm to Festus
quote:Just because that's what you're supposed to do certainly doesn't mean that's how it will happen when in the real life situation.
Highly unlikely. He would not have put his finger on the trigger until he was ready to fire.
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