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Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:19 am to The Pirate King
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the only information they were going on was a statement from the shooter and his pals (that this guy may have been involved in a burglary) and a video that showed a struggle over a gun in which he was shot.
So they hadn't even seen the crime scene yet? They didn't have a dead body in the middle of a street with shotgun wounds?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:19 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:No, but after looking at it on street view it doesn’t look particularly busy.
Did the highway have a cat walk/overpass walkway to it? I only ask because at the previous school I worked at we had kids that regularly walked/ran across a cat walk to avoid having to run down Taylor Blvd (where Churchill Downs is).
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:20 am to The Pirate King
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Again, the only information they were going on was a statement from the shooter and his pals (that this guy may have been involved in a burglary) and a video that showed a struggle over a gun in which he was shot
So you're claiming the cops went straight from getting statements from the perps to informing next of kin, and told his mom whatever they were told by the suspects? Even after seeing video that completely contradicts their story?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:22 am to The Pirate King
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(that this guy may have been involved in a burglary
Does not equal was killed while struggling for a handgun with a homeowner during a burglary you fricking football bat.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:22 am to Antonio Moss
I'll go with this answer.
Because I hope it not this one
I hope this goes to trial and we find out the real answer because no way this can be swept under the rug after people watched that video. Hell, I can't believe there are people ITT trying to justify the murder.
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(2) The police are grossly incompetent and took the redneck's account and assumptions without doing even the least amount of investigation.
Because I hope it not this one
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(3) The police investigated the murder and then fabricated the account to make it seem like this murder was justifiable.
I hope this goes to trial and we find out the real answer because no way this can be swept under the rug after people watched that video. Hell, I can't believe there are people ITT trying to justify the murder.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:23 am to crazy4lsu
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Do you feel this is an accurate representation of what happened?
No, but immediate aftermath statements in fatal situations usually aren’t. See mass shootings and victims hearing more shots and shooters than there actually were.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:24 am to QJenk
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So they saw a black guy probably scratch his balls in public. Then they saw the same black guy another day jogging in the neighborhood.
Might not have even been the same guy.
So far, in this neighborhood, one resident called 911 to report a black man running along a residential street and two other residents assumed that black man was armed because another night they saw someone who may or may not have been that guy reach into his pants.
I'm not super impressed with this neighborhood so far.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:25 am to Centinel
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I'll take this one for $400 Alex.
Although (3) isn't out of the question either.
It could even be a mix of 2 and 3. The fact that some mild accountability is driving this bootlicker to suggest we want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater" and "want to crucify cops" is now even more curious. If they literally told the truth that they knew from the video, they wouldn't be in this position. The fact they lied to the mother, and had video evidence which directly contradicted what they told the mother, is fairly reasonable grounds for people to maybe ask if these people are fit to do their job.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:25 am to MrLarson
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Hell, I can't believe there are people ITT trying to justify the murder.
Ya, I mean I'm about as staunch a 2nd Amendment/stand your ground baw that there is, but unless there's something we're all missing here, that was a straight up execution.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:26 am to mouton
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Does not equal was killed while struggling for a handgun with a homeowner during a burglary you fricking football bat.
Nice attack. And the mother didn’t say this was what she was told. She said that he was involved in a burglary (STOP) and that was an altercation with a struggle over a gun in which he was shot.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:26 am to Green Chili Tiger
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McMichael stated he and Travis got in the truck and drove down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated when they arrived at the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Drive, they saw the unidentified male running down Burford drive. McMichael then stated Travis drive down Burford and attempted to cut off the male. McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and "Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful. McMichael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued to Holes in an attempt to intercept him.
So we don't see that on the video and can't really confirm or deny.
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McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted "stop, stop, we want to talk to you".
You hear some shouting on the video but you can't identify what they're saying. And Dad in the back of the truck is yelling this with a firearm in hand.
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McMichael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun.
Bold faced lie. They were parked and waiting for him. The truck was parked when Travis exited.
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McMichael stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot.
Another lie. There were clearly three shots. One at the front of the truck and two while tussling with the gun on the side of the truck (the second shot was fired off screen and you see the smoke from it).
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McMichael stated the male fell face down on the pavement with his hand under his body. McMichael stated he rolled the man over to see if the male had a weapon.
Must've happened off video after McMichael got out of the truck bed. Travis was simply walking away from him at the end of the video.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:27 am to Green Chili Tiger
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McMichael stated he and Travis got in the truck and drove down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated when they arrived at the intersection of Satilla Drive and Holmes Drive, they saw the unidentified male running down Burford drive. McMichael then stated Travis drive down Burford and attempted to cut off the male.
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I'm out for a run and a couple of guys in a pickup try to cut me off I'd probably head the other direction.
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McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and "Roddy" attempted to block him which was unsuccessful.
When I headed back the other direction and another vehicle tried to block me I would definitely not let that happen.
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McMichael stated he then jumped into the bed of the truck and he and Travis continued to Holes in an attempt to intercept him.
McMichael stated they saw the unidentified male and shouted "stop, stop, we want to talk to you".
Now the same guys that tried to cut me off are following me and yelling at me and one them is now in the back of truck? Yeah frick that.
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McMichael stated they pulled up beside the male and shouted stop again at which time Travis exited the truck with the shotgun.
At his point your options are:
A: Try and run away again and maybe get shot in the back by the crazy fricker that just jumped out of his truck with a shotgun?
or
B: Charge the crazy fricker with the shotgun and try and disarm him.
I'm taking "B" 10/10 times.
It's insane that this is not readily apparent to everyone that has read this.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:27 am to The Pirate King
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And the mother didn’t say this was what she was told. She said that he was involved in a burglary (STOP) and that was an altercation with a struggle over a gun in which he was shot.
Remember when I said you just make up shite to support your shitty takes?
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Jones said she was told Arbery was shot while struggling with a homeowner for a handgun during a burglary.
Again, you are a fricking retard.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:27 am to Rep520
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So far, in this neighborhood, one resident called 911 to report a black man running along a residential street and two other residents assumed that black man was armed because another night they saw someone who may or may not have been that guy reach into his pants.
I'm not super impressed with this neighborhood so far.
You should read your local neighborhood NextDoor posts with some frequency.
It's eye opening just how paranoid the local Karens can be, especially if it involved a black dude...or hell anyone they don't recognize as being a local resident, no matter the skin color.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:28 am to The Pirate King
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No, but immediate aftermath statements in fatal situations usually aren’t. See mass shootings and victims hearing more shots and shooters than there actually were.
And then why did they tell the mother that, when they had the video, and had presumably seen it before they told the mother? Do you understand why there is an issue? If they didn't get the video until a week after they told the mother, it changes the tenor of the conversation completely. The fact they supposedly did have the video from the day of the incident onward, literally begs the question as why they lied to the mother in the first place. The fact they lied deserves, at the minimum, some oversight by an accountable body. That you seem to bristle at the suggestion they deserve accountability is beyond me. You are so close to getting it, but you seem to refuse putting 2 and 2 together.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:29 am to crazy4lsu
What page is the gif on
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:29 am to The Pirate King
FYI, Georgia Burglary law:
Burglary requires that the offender enters into sometype of structure without consent.
So again, how can the police claim that Arbery was killed during a burglary when his body is laying in the middle of street, no witness claims they saw him burglarize any structure, and there is video evidence contradicting that narrative?
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(a) As used in this Code section, the term:
(1) "Dwelling" means any building, structure, or portion thereof which is designed or intended for occupancy for residential use.
(2) "Railroad car" shall also include trailers on flatcars, containers on flatcars, trailers on railroad property, or containers on railroad property.
(b) A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the first degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years. Upon the second conviction for burglary in the first degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two nor more than 20 years. Upon the third and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the first degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 25 years.
(c) A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the second degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years. Upon the second and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the second degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than eight years.
(d) Upon a fourth and all subsequent convictions for a crime of burglary in any degree, adjudication of guilt or imposition of sentence shall not be suspended, probated, deferred, or withheld.
Burglary requires that the offender enters into sometype of structure without consent.
So again, how can the police claim that Arbery was killed during a burglary when his body is laying in the middle of street, no witness claims they saw him burglarize any structure, and there is video evidence contradicting that narrative?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:30 am to PrimeTime Money
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Just looking at Google Maps, he was 2.1 miles away from his house and he had to cross a highway to get to where he was.
If he was looking to steal stuff, would he really run for more than 2 miles with stolen items?
On the other hand, if he was just out for a run, would he really cross a highway?
Good point. Hell, some guys are just freaking weird. I had a friend who would jog along the side of an interstate because watching the cars gave him motivation
Ahmaud may have been trying to get some booty, and decided to make a workout out of it by running to and from the girl's house.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:30 am to Centinel
It's tempting to say "well we know why that is," but I think it's more complicated.
Some of us (me included) are so patterned to go "bullshite!" every time there is a racially enflamed situation like this, and for good reason. We automatically assume there is more to the story and that the white villains are probably less evil and racially-motivated than portrayed.
That's not a good excuse, but it's the reality IMO. And that'll continue so long as dishonest people like Shaun King are involved and aren't held accountable.
Some of us (me included) are so patterned to go "bullshite!" every time there is a racially enflamed situation like this, and for good reason. We automatically assume there is more to the story and that the white villains are probably less evil and racially-motivated than portrayed.
That's not a good excuse, but it's the reality IMO. And that'll continue so long as dishonest people like Shaun King are involved and aren't held accountable.
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