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Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:28 am to Upperdecker
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So the sororities have to suspend all their events because of the actions of a couple fraternity members in one fraternity?
But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth...the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!"
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:32 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:37 am to Chad504boy
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you really can't go tell that to the deceased parents. you certainly can't tell that to the public in light of recent circumstances.
His death was a tragedy and the people responsible should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Phi Delt should be kicked off campus never to return.
Hazing of all types, even ridiculous BS stuff, is already against the rules. Multiple fraternities have already been suspended for such things as making pledges clean up after parties. Any fraternity, or other campus organization, that breaks the rules deserves to be punished. Those that don't --- don't.
It's a simple concept. Trying to indict the whole system is weak-minded.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Knowing a few who don't drink doesn't disprove the fact that fraternity/Greek life promotes binge drinking.
why is every one already assuming binge drinking is what this kid died from?
the coroner said there was also THC found in his system, so its possible he ODed on weed
Posted on 9/15/17 at 12:46 pm to SECretariat
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Your logic is completely skewed here. This isn't a punishment... yet. It's a halt on greek activities to investigate the system for potential issues that could have been overlooked.
Bull shite.
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Could you imagine what would happen if another fraternity kid has a close call shortly after this incident and LSU didn't stop everything and examine current hazing & possible alcohol abuse in the Greek system.
I guess they'd have to accept the reality that they can't control everyone and everything and that there will always be some rule breakers no matter how strict the rules are.
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It's a "Stop, take a step back, ask is this an issue with just one fraternity or all of them, how do we correct this for the future so no other young students have to die from peer pressured drinking"
Then why does it include sororities as well?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 1:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Agreed
Posted on 9/15/17 at 1:27 pm to Ash Williams
Posted on 9/15/17 at 1:37 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
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If Florida football players got someone killed at a drinking party the whole SEC wouldn't get a suspension just by virtue of all being part of the SEC.
This is retarded logic...if the sec suspended all greek organizations then you would be making a good point.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:08 pm to Havoc
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I guess they'd have to accept the reality that they can't control everyone and everything and that there will always be some rule breakers no matter how strict the rules are.
Then why does it include sororities as well?
1. A kid just died. It's prudent to investigate if there was something about the Greek system that enabled or otherwise encouraged the behavior that led to this tragic death.
2. Because sororities are part of the greek system. That's the point. Suspend it all and see if changes need to be made. Maybe, they'll discover sororities are doing some other type of dangerous behavior like encouraging unhealthy and potentially fatal dieting or maybe they have alcohol issues as well. Who knows? That's the point of an investigation.
It sounds like you may be too emotionally tied up in the situation to see it clearly. Someone died. Suspend the activities that are supposed to just be for fun until the school can get a better picture of the atmosphere.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:17 pm to BlindTiger7
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Disagree
If you honestly disagree that the greek system facilitates binge drinking then you're not being reasonable. Does every greek member binge drink? Of course not. But the system as a whole facilitates it. Denying basic things like this in the name of protecting your fraternity or all fraternities is part of the problem. No one ever wants to admit that the system is, at the very least, flawed.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:24 pm to BayouBengals03
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Suspension of all greek activities is believed to be a first at LSU
That's incorrect guy. This happened twice while I was in school. When us and another 3/4 frats were targeted by Greek affairs (which is or was comprised mainly of either haters of frat life or peeps balled by every good one that joined a shite one)
Around 4 frats were suspended/kicked off for hazing and all Greek activities were suspended for 2 weeks but were changed a couple days later to include just us and the other 3-4 frats.
A year earlier an acacia died when a zipline going from their roof broke (really sad, knew the guy and he was one of the good ones) Greek activities were suspended until an investigation was completed which was a few days.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:25 pm to icegator337
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If you honestly disagree that college facilitates binge drinking then you're not being reasonable. Does every college student binge drink? Of course not. But college as a whole facilitates it. Denying basic things like this in the name of protecting your college or all colleges is part of the problem. No one ever wants to admit that college is, at the very least, flawed.
FIFY!
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 9/15/17 at 2:59 pm to MMauler
On bid night every new pledge is encouraged to black out, if I remember correctly it's the first Monday of the semester.
I'm pretty sure your average college student doesn't deal with this event. This is just a single example of the very first day of the "fraternity experience."
Colleges don't sponsor tailgates, parties at mansions, rented out bars, or bus trips.
I'm pretty sure your average college student doesn't deal with this event. This is just a single example of the very first day of the "fraternity experience."
Colleges don't sponsor tailgates, parties at mansions, rented out bars, or bus trips.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:17 pm to Topwater Trout
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This is retarded logic...if the sec suspended all greek organizations then you would be making a good point.
Lol I know it's retarded logic. I'm mocking your argument that other fraternities/sororities cannot be considered "unrelated" to the Phi Delt incident just because they are all Greeks
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:21 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
Phi Delt:fraternities::cheerleading:sport
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:27 pm to icegator337
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On bid night every new pledge is encouraged to black out, if I remember correctly it's the first Monday of the semester.
what fraternity is this
this certainly wasnt the case when i was in college
did kids black out? yes, pledges and actives alike, but that shite sure hell wasnt "encouraged"
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:29 pm to Upperdecker
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So the sororities have to suspend all their events
Should be easy pickings right now, a bunch of stray cats
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:30 pm to Ash Williams
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did kids black out? yes, pledges and actives alike, but that shite sure hell wasnt "encouraged"
I would have guessed that Phi Delt was one of the only ones who didn't get their pledges black out drunk on bid night.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 3:34 pm to BayouBengals03
Well frick.
How can I unsend my email suggestion of 'DKE Booze 'Cuse' to the chapter regarding next week's game day sign?
How can I unsend my email suggestion of 'DKE Booze 'Cuse' to the chapter regarding next week's game day sign?
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