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re: Aliens come and take away every man-made object. Humans maintain their current knowledge..
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:59 am to LSU6262
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:59 am to LSU6262
It depends on the economic system. If Democrats are running things on Woke/Marxist methods it would never be restored.
Under capitalism it would probably take about 50 years. It would be done in phases. The critical path would be
1. Mining and making alloys.
2. Energy sufficiency through coal first, then oil and gas production
3. Heavy industry
4. Semi conductors
5. Information technology
Things like medicine would be in parallel and take much less time.
The human population would plummet to about a half billion people in the first year, which would be gruesome, with cannibalism and genocide everywhere. Then the industrial revolution would start anew in the English midlands, the American east coast on the fall lines, and in other currently advanced nations.
Under capitalism it would probably take about 50 years. It would be done in phases. The critical path would be
1. Mining and making alloys.
2. Energy sufficiency through coal first, then oil and gas production
3. Heavy industry
4. Semi conductors
5. Information technology
Things like medicine would be in parallel and take much less time.
The human population would plummet to about a half billion people in the first year, which would be gruesome, with cannibalism and genocide everywhere. Then the industrial revolution would start anew in the English midlands, the American east coast on the fall lines, and in other currently advanced nations.
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:00 am to sparkinator
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man made
All our clothes are made by child labor so we get keep the threads.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:06 am to SundayFunday
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Almost all of which are scattered throughout the world without any communication, and who will most likely be all dead within a week from starvation and dehydration, without some rapidly established Source of food water.
Exactly
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:07 am to FutureMikeVIII
90% of food would be gone. Man made cans for canned goods gone. Refrigerator s gone. No electricity. No autos, roads, houses, clothes, furniture, paper pencils to write down what we know,… all gone.
Maybe 50 million survive. Almost all of the US would be desolate. Disease, rotting food. Dead animals. Dead people. No way to manufacture or build components to start rebuilding manufacturing.
Interesting.
Farming with sticks and stones. Gathering by hand.
Maybe 50 million survive. Almost all of the US would be desolate. Disease, rotting food. Dead animals. Dead people. No way to manufacture or build components to start rebuilding manufacturing.
Interesting.
Farming with sticks and stones. Gathering by hand.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:09 am to Penrod
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It depends on the economic system. If Democrats are running things on Woke/Marxist methods it would never be restored.
Lol, thought this was an el Gaucho post at first. There would be no economic system left. The few pockets of survivors would be hunter-gatherers for generations, maybe some would manage to salvage limited agriculture, but who knows.
The nerds on Reddit that are obsessed with knapping would basically be gods, though.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:10 am to LSU6262
Maintaining current knowledge... I mean nothing else is more important than the knowledge.. so probably a month or so
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:16 am to LSU6262
All man made objects are gone - so communication is limited to your immediate geographic area (neighbors and walking distance). There's no way to assemble and organize the effort to rebuild. Institutional know how would disappear within 50 years.
Within that time frame (50 years) we could rebuild civilization only to the level of the middle ages.
An iPhone 16 level of sophistication would take another 500 years.
Within that time frame (50 years) we could rebuild civilization only to the level of the middle ages.
An iPhone 16 level of sophistication would take another 500 years.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:19 am to lepdagod
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Maintaining current knowledge... I mean nothing else is more important than the knowledge.. so probably a month or so
You would have pockets of development but most of the world would become hunter/gatherers for a substantial amount of time.
Probably 5% of the population has the brainpower and mental toughness to recover quickly.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:20 am to FutureMikeVIII
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There would be piles of food rotting for the first few weeks, then famine would set it. No telling how many people survive the first year, but probably a good bit less than 1 billion. It’s basically a complete reset of humanity.
I think people severely underestimate how many layers and how dependent we are on each layer of our society functioning to sustain order. I would bet in a scenario like the OP proposed at least half the world’s population is dead in the 1st month. Unfortunately for society the skills and personality to survive in that world aren’t going to be the same that succeed in our current society, so all the knowledge to design and build something like an iPhone will be lost immediately.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:20 am to Penrod
I don’t see how we maintain our current knowledge without the man made devices. I doubt any iphone engineer knows all the specs for one.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:28 am to lepdagod
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Maintaining current knowledge... I mean nothing else is more important than the knowledge.. so probably a month or so
Just so we are clear you think we could build this in a month
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:35 am to Penrod
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Under capitalism it would probably take about 50 years. It would be done in phases. The critical path would be
1. Mining and making alloys.
2. Energy sufficiency through coal first, then oil and gas production
3. Heavy industry
4. Semi conductors
5. Information technology
The entire planet is standing naked on the raw earth and you think we have large scale mining operations in 5-10 years? No way.
95% of the population would be dead in less than one month. What little knowledge we have dies with them. Our paltry individual knowledge is so specialized nothing of any consequence could be accomplished before we simply devolve into animalistic behavior.
Survival is paramount. What are your "naked and afraid" survival chances? Zero. We would be sacrificing someone when we finally fashioned a single stone tool with an edge.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:49 am to sparkinator
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The premise is we would all be naked and living in caves. We would have No man made objects. Start from zero. That’s how I read it.
Yeah first few commenters are morons and boring.
No man made objects means no books either.
So essentially, we’re being tested on how much primitive knowledge we’ve maintained that builds the foundation for advanced modern technology.
Also, how long would it take to build the basic machinery to extract resources that enable advanced machinery?
I don’t think we’re building oil refineries within a year.
The 500 year estimate sounds about right.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:52 am to DamnGood86
I think people are drastically underestimating the ability of humans to make shite happen when needed.
Sure there would be chaos in many areas and a ton of people would die. But once you get past the initial shock of it all and the weak and dumb die off, people would band together and start creating societies again fairly quickly.
Once in a fairly controlled environment the technological advances would start happening exponentially. The longest period would be getting back to that controlled environment, but it would take a fraction of the time to get back to today's technology.
Sure there would be chaos in many areas and a ton of people would die. But once you get past the initial shock of it all and the weak and dumb die off, people would band together and start creating societies again fairly quickly.
Once in a fairly controlled environment the technological advances would start happening exponentially. The longest period would be getting back to that controlled environment, but it would take a fraction of the time to get back to today's technology.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:53 am to rintintin
What if we are simply an "Alien" simulation?
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:05 am to LSU6262
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Just so we are clear you think we could build this in a month
Probably... the knowledge was the only thing that took time to attain... all the physical material already here
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:10 am to lepdagod
We lose the physical as well. All we have are naked homeless people and raw materials. No tools whatsoever.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:18 am to rintintin
I think people are missing the main point of the question too. The question is how long would it take to build one singular iPhone 16, not how long would it take society to advance to get back to where we are mass producing iPhones 16s.
Do we have all the raw resources in the US that can be primitively transported thus not needing to spend 100s of years building basic infrastructure? It seems it would take quite some time to fabricate a semi conductor but could it be done in under 50 years? I don’t know the answers to these questions tbh and I think the lack of communication would cause real problems.
Do we have all the raw resources in the US that can be primitively transported thus not needing to spend 100s of years building basic infrastructure? It seems it would take quite some time to fabricate a semi conductor but could it be done in under 50 years? I don’t know the answers to these questions tbh and I think the lack of communication would cause real problems.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:18 am to sparkinator
I mean do you think we're still dumb apes?
We'd have basic tools in a day and more advanced tools would come along very quickly.
We'd have basic tools in a day and more advanced tools would come along very quickly.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 11:19 am to DarthRebel
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Africa would be the only continent to survive.
The Amish: Now is OUR time!
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