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re: Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting (OP Updated)
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:01 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:01 pm to Ingeniero
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I agree, with a caveat. There's a guy on r/law who claims to have 20 years experience working in film, specifically being familiar with firearm safety on set. He said that typical procedure is for the armorer to inspect the weapon, witnessed by the actor who's going to use it. The armorer declares it clear for whatever the purpose of the scene is, then hands it over.
If Baldwin didn't go through this process, and it sounds like he didn't based on what we know, then I can easily see it being argued as negligence or recklessness.
That's why he is not being charged with homicide. He did not have the requisite intent to kill the person. He's charged with Involuntary Manslaughter which, in New Mexico, is defined as manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
If you are going to fire a gun at someone YOU, as the person firing the gun, have the duty to ensure your action don't harm another human being. Otherwise, everyone changed with homicide would say "someone else gave me the gun and told me it was not loaded. So it's not MY fault he was wrong and I killed someone."
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:16 pm to Alt26
There would be a lot more people alive today (besides this cinematographer, if H'wood didn't spend so much time glamorizing gun violence.
"The Associated Press reports that, between 1990 and 2016, “at least 43 people have died on sets in the US and more than 150 have been left with life-altering injuries.” "
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"The Associated Press reports that, between 1990 and 2016, “at least 43 people have died on sets in the US and more than 150 have been left with life-altering injuries.” "
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:19 pm to inspectweld
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When is the arrest and perp walk
Lol, not happening. They usually don’t kick down the door for stuff like this. He’s going to turn himself in.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:01 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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was handed a loaded gun by a prop master
You sure about that?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:52 pm to roadGator
Looks like a slam dunk case against him and should get the max of 6 1/2 years.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:53 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
quote:Classic FAAFO
The actor originally said he had pulled the hammer of the gun back as far as he could and released it, but did not pull the trigger.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:20 pm to baldona
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The general protocol is for the Armorer to hand the gun to the actor and show them that is armed/ unarmed/ etc. This was not done. He basically grabbed a gun assuming it was safe and pulled the trigger.
This is the info that I was looking for.
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This is all elementary firearms handling safety stuff.
Think this through: Do you want to trust actors to know how to manipulate a firearm and check if it is safe? Baldona gave me the info that I was looking for and that is the protocol that should happen. I'm not trusting some acting school grad to know how to handle a firearm. Those types aren't raised like many of us around these tool.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:22 pm to jmarto1
quote:I don’t care one way or another, but they should be held to the same standards as every other American.
Think this through: Do you want to trust actors to know how to manipulate a firearm and check if it is safe? Baldona gave me the info that I was looking for and that is the protocol that should happen. I'm not trusting some acting school grad to know how to handle a firearm. Those types aren't raised like many of us around these tool.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:58 pm to Scruffy
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I don’t care one way or another, but they should be held to the same standards as every other American.
I'm not even sure the same? This was Baldwin, not some amateur sundance film actor. They can't be forced to take a basic firearms class? We don't have to treat them like they should be a member of swat or the special forces, but not aiming a gun at a human and understanding the difference between live ammo, blanks, and practice rounds doesn't take a Ph.D. A couple hour training before the filming starts would be plenty.
I mean shite is a hunter's safety class too much to ask of an actor that makes millions?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:10 pm to Scruffy
I get it but it's a bit of apples and oranges. We don't have an armorer following us
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:21 pm to jmarto1
Alec Baldwin's father was riflery coach at high school
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:23 pm to jmarto1
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I get it but it's a bit of apples and oranges
Not really, he picked up a revolver, cocked it, aimed it at another human, then finally squeezed the trigger without a check of the cylinder. This resulted in killing one person and injuring another. It seems pretty apples to apples, regardless of who held the gun.
I don't think he intended to kill her but he did. He is now suffering the consequences of his actions. It will be interesting to see what his punishment is.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:03 pm to BR92
He won’t get shite. Watch
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:11 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:14 pm to BR92
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Not really, he picked up a revolver, cocked it, aimed it at another human, then finally squeezed the trigger without a check of the cylinder. This resulted in killing one person and injuring another. It seems pretty apples to apples, regardless of who held the gun.
I was referring to having someone dedicated to fulfilling those duties. My question in all of this is "what is the protocol for firearms on the set of a movie". Baldona has given me my only explanation.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:19 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Of course not.
He won’t get shite. Watch
He is a celebrity. Too many people look at them like gods.
Hell, look at the people in the other thread who didn’t think he should even be charged. He is above all the other Americans who have faced jail time for this.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:21 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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he's an actor who was handed a loaded gun by a prop master who assured him it was safe for use. he's not at fault.
You really believe the bullshite you’re spewing? What a fricking moron.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:40 pm to jmarto1
quote:
Think this through: Do you want to trust actors to know how to manipulate a firearm and check if it is safe? Baldona gave me the info that I was looking for and that is the protocol that should happen. I'm not trusting some acting school grad to know how to handle a firearm. Those types aren't raised like many of us around these tool.
"Actors should not be the primary person in charge of firearm safety on the set" is not inconsistent with "an actor can be responsible if he does something with a firearm on set that, in the circumstances, he should have known created a danger to others."
And, here, you had an actor who was responsible for hiring the bad armorer, who had lots of reason to know the armorer was not safely handling the guns, and who himself did something he absolutely never should have done when he drew, pointed the gun at the crew members, and pulled the trigger while they were messing with the camera between takes.
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