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Posted on 6/17/18 at 1:58 pm to Clark W Griswold
WTF are you talking about? He met my alcoholic mom and her alcoholic family. It didn't take a rocket scientist. Then he adopted me and tried to steer me clear from my instinct. Lost an aunt (mom's side) to alcoholism.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 2:12 pm to Clark W Griswold
Asked another way what if it was in a morman? You can channel the addictive tendency into work or something more positive too
Posted on 6/17/18 at 2:39 pm to Clark W Griswold
quote:So that insurance will pay for the treatment and care of both addiction and alcoholism.
Why is alcoholism a disease?
Plain and simple.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 3:04 pm to Clark W Griswold
It’s a disease, but completely preventable. I don’t like the victim mentality for preventable diseases; whether it be Type 2 Diabetes, HIV, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. If you don’t have the ability to control your actions then why should I feel sorry for you?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 4:54 pm to Clark W Griswold
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In many cases doctors wrote prescriptions which caused the addictions. Then addicts would come back for more and instead of treating the problem they made it worse.
have you read the book, "Dreamland?" some doctors were a part of the opioid epidemic, but it's much more complex, with a host of greedy executives/bad decisions including a half arse clinical study that concluded opioids were absolutely non-additive and how big pharm took that study and promoted the hell of the supposedly nonaddictive pain killers to the medical and general community. also addresses the tie-in with heroin.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 5:56 pm to RealityTiger
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So that insurance will pay for the treatment and care of both addiction and alcoholism.
Plain and simple.
So you think doctors decided to force insurance companies to pay and the insurance companies had no option? Not even close to reality.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:25 pm to liz18lsu
I totally get it if you do not want to answer, but what happened to your biological father? I have caught hints before that you have little use for him.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:31 pm to Hangit
Hey Hangit, no worries. Mom had an affair with a much older, married man. I don't even know if he ever knew I existed. My "dad" who raised me came in to my life when I was about 2, extremely sick with a kidney disease. Mom had no insurance and married my adoptive father. He is a great man, and when I found out that he wasn't my biological father, I didn't care. He is my dad and always will be. I would never disrespect his sacrifices by seeking out someone who doesn't matter.
Happy Father's Day Dads!
Happy Father's Day Dads!
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:40 pm to liz18lsu
I wonder if I knew your mom. Not "knew" her, just knew her. She would be a few years older than me. I was at LSU about the time she got pregnant with you.
She probably ran with a touch older crowd than me.
She probably ran with a touch older crowd than me.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:42 pm to MorbidTheClown
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disease
1 : a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms
Masturbation fits right in with alcoholism, and drug addiction. The biggest difference, is that most guys start masturbating, with no knowledge of it becoming an addiction!
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:43 pm to Clark W Griswold
It’s not a disease
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:01 pm to bountyhunter
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don’t like the victim mentality
Im curious where you're getting this from, regarding alcoholism? I've been in treatment or detox many times and never once heard anyone claim to be a victim. Most are very embarrassed at the things they have caused
Again, the disease concept is far more important regarding treatment, not cause. I can't see how anyone could deny that addiction is a disease. You can't cure it by quitting.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:14 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:Who said anything about doctors forcing insurance to do anything? It's been classified as a disease so that more addicts and alcoholics can receive the treatment that they need, and be able to afford it. As opposed to just the wealthier ones who could pay out of pocket. At one time, alcoholics and drug addicts were thrown into sanitariums with crazy people. This is how they were looked at. I think the medical community wisened up that this was the wrong approach, and thus the treatment centers we all know today came to be.
So you think doctors decided to force insurance companies to pay and the insurance companies had no option?
I've been sober for 12 years and I am a recovering alkie/addict, and even I have a hard time calling it a disease. Maybe because I've seen a lot of guys and girls continue to be selfish and do fricked up things to those around them (while sober) and fall back on the "well it's my disease!" as an excuse.
I call it more of an illness than a disease. If any type of disease, it is a spiritual disease.
The disease concept came from cooperation of both doctors and treatment center folks. And I'm ok with it, really. Because once again, a lot more folks have the opportunity to go to treatment when insurance helps rather than coming out of pocket. Which, I'm all for.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can't see how anyone could deny that addiction is a disease. You can't cure it by quitting.
I've been attending AA more and more these days and a few people freely admit that's it more fear related.
what I mean is, they admit they have a high chance of relapse but fear they won't recover ever again if they do slip up.
i've started going to meetings some in the early evening instead of going to happy hour at some bar. I don't own any chips or anything, but it's a better way to spend an hour of your time. Now, do I sometimes buy a 6 pack right after I leave? Yeah. But I think the older I've gotten, the more I get tired of the same old same old. A few years ago I would have bad mouthed AA to no end cause my Dad supposedly worked the Program. Drinking ruined and ultimately ended his life and for the longest time I blamed his friends in recovery for not helping him enough.
i was pretty young when it happened and have always had a chip on my shoulder about it. It's hard to explain. Hell, I even dealt with it almost perfectly in the subsequent years but when I reached my early 20's.. not so much.
sorry for ranting but it's way easier than talking to a chain smoker outside of a building who can't wait for you to finish talking so they can
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 12:52 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:09 am to EarlyCuyler3
Have you really been camped out on this thread all weekend blowing liberal pussy talk up people's asses all weekend?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:20 am to tigerdude3232
Last September my wife entered rehab for the 4th time. At the time she had been drunk for about 3 solid weeks. She had the shakes pretty bad the day I left her there, went to a celebrate recovery meeting the 1st night. The next morning she woke up not feeling well, had diarrhea and a head ache so they let her lay back down for a little bit to rest. She never woke up again. Died in her sleep. She fought alcoholism for about 15 years. Left me with 3 teenagers, a chip for 1 day of sobriety from the celebrate recovery meeting, and a picture from that night of her getting that chip..alcoholism sucks!!
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:23 am to LooseCannon22282
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but fear they won't recover ever again if they do slip up.
I've been down that road many times and the fear is well founded. I know damn well I will screw up my life if I start again.
That said, if the Doc gives me two weeks to live outside of telling my family goodbye I'm going to Vegas to drink and party til I die.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree, other than Vegas. I’d be really depressed to think that was one of my last life experiences. But I totally would consider self- medicating to the max.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:53 pm to Rolltide10
Dude that is honestly horrible and I'm sorry that happened to you, but in real life your wife selfishly drank herself to death and left you to clean up........
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