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re: Alabama lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion
Posted on 5/15/19 at 6:45 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 5/15/19 at 6:45 am to East Coast Band
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 6:56 am to Ed Osteen
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fricking Alabama moving backwards, what’s new
If saving human life is backwards, call me rewind.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:00 am to Darth_Vader
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limp-wristed soy boy Socialist
I'm not a Democrat at all. I just find it funny how so many Conservatives have turned into robots when it comes to these little words ("soy boy", "libtard", "npc", etc.). It is as if you all listen to same exact news source and only talk in echo chambers...
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:06 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It’s either murdering a baby or not
It's not. If it was Life at conception then the baby would be able to survive outside the womb without the mother before 22 weeks.
and there in lies the problem everyone wants to think in the extreme one way or the other without discussing the realistic middle ground. This country is going to shite fast. How hard is it to get citizenship in Canada?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:08 am to genro
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In a partial birth abortion
Partial birth abortion has been banned in the United States since 2003, so that is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
And something like 85% of all abortions occur within the first 12 weeks.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:10 am to mindbreaker
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It's not. If it was Life at conception then the baby would be able to survive outside the womb without the mother before 22 weeks.
But it is a scientific fact that is EXACTLY when human life starts
If you want to make a distinction between biological life and life that deserves legal protection, I’m all ears.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:12 am to GetCocky11
How is it irrelevant? The abortion industry is pushing for abortion on demand and completely unfettered regardless of term.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:13 am to mindbreaker
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If it was Life at conception then the baby would be able to survive outside the womb without the mother before 22 weeks
The baby can't survive without the mother after its born either
So yea
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:13 am to SabiDojo
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How is it irrelevant? The abortion industry is pushing for abortion on demand and completely unfettered regardless of term.
B/c partial-birth abortion is federally banned and that ban has been upheld by the Supreme Court. That is why it is irrelevant.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:15 am to East Coast Band
Damn. There’s still hope for it to not go through, but what a terrible step in the wrong direction.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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You don’t get how somebody that’s a Christian could find abortion repugnant?
I gomet it. That piece of shite Reagan wanted to make religious nutjobs the base of the GOP. He needed morons to whom he could sell his voodoo economics and help out the corporate owners of the GOP. So he got people who believe in a magic man in the sky because maybe they are gullible. He created a fake issue to which the could rally the gullible behind. 40 years of brainwashing later and here we are.
How much will the state of Alabama be paying the ACLU millions after they lose in court.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:18 am to East Coast Band
I'm a libertarian leaning conservative and have mixed feelings about abortion. I definitely don't agree with the rape/incest part of this.
I also think this should have always been a state's rights issue and the federal government should stay the hell out of it. Let the people of Alabama vote on it and let the chips fall where they may.
I also think this should have always been a state's rights issue and the federal government should stay the hell out of it. Let the people of Alabama vote on it and let the chips fall where they may.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 7:20 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:21 am to SabiDojo
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This argument is ridiculous. Just because you don’t want the child to be murdered doesn’t necessarily mean you have to advocate for these types of programs.
So you shouldn’t advocate for social services that will deal with the inevitable overload on the already overloaded system? Shouldn’t advocate for women to have affordable access to birth control as to avoid abortions in the first place?
That’s mighty Christian of you. If you’re advocating for eliminating abortion but not in support of improving services to improve the lives of those children after birth then you’re full of shite about it being for religious reasons.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 7:23 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:28 am to BluegrassBelle
Bringing religion into any political argument is violently hypocritical in the first place.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:30 am to kengel2
Why pass a law like this on a state level? Rich girls will go somewhere else to have their abortions done while poorer girls will stay in state and have to have their babies and become even more dependent on the state. Is this a 100% religious issue?
Are people against abortion against emergency conctraceptive that’s available over the counter (Plan B)? At what point is it ok/not ok?
Are people against abortion against emergency conctraceptive that’s available over the counter (Plan B)? At what point is it ok/not ok?
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 7:35 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:31 am to BluegrassBelle
I haven’t brought up religion ONCE .
And the problem with your argument is that it assumes the programs you mentioned are the only ways to achieve a desirable end.
You could teach an entire course on logical fallacies using popular pro-choice arguments. It’s incredible.
. And the problem with your argument is that it assumes the programs you mentioned are the only ways to achieve a desirable end.
You could teach an entire course on logical fallacies using popular pro-choice arguments. It’s incredible.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:32 am to CaptainBrannigan
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That piece of shite Reagan wanted to make religious nutjobs the base of the GOP. He needed morons to whom he could sell his voodoo economics and help out the corporate owners of the GOP. So he got people who believe in a magic man in the sky because maybe they are gullible. He created a fake issue to which the could rally the gullible behind. 40 years of brainwashing later and here we are
Reagan was the best president this country has had in the past 100 years despite his faults.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:36 am to hubertcumberdale
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poorer girls will stay in state and have to have their babies and become even more dependent on the state.
Or perform dangerous back alley abortions on their own. Hooray progress
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:40 am to East Coast Band
The bill should also force the dudes who passed it to adopt a child from an unwanted pregnancy. Put your money where your mouth is gumps.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 7:41 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 7:47 am to athenslife101
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I also strongly do not like this appearing more to be about power politics than creating a valid law.
As others mentioned, it's definitely about power politics. This was designed to get challenged and go to the SCOTUS.
I'm not a fan of the law at all, but I'm also not going to get mad at conservatives playing the same political bullshite games that the liberals did to get the Roe v. Wade ruling in the first place.
And Roe v. Wade is shitshow when it comes to legal jurisprudence. Right ruling, completely wrong justification.
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