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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet

Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to
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Like getting out holding a wallet?


Given the circumstances, it would appear so, unfortunately.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:23 am to
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The cop is guilty of poor decision-making


At least his poor decision making was logical
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:23 am to
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the cop told him to put his hands up...he put his hands up like the cop told him to


Then the cop shot him



Did the cop ask him to exit the vehicle?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:23 am to
Seriously, when did they stop teaching people to sit in their vehicles with their hands on the steering wheel until the LEO got the the car and asked them to move?

Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:23 am to
Get back to work troll.
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:24 am to
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At least his poor decision making was logical



The circumstances leading to his poor decision (determined after the fact) are logical, especially when you consider the multitude of factors involved. Which we can revisit if necessary.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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-The cop deals with terrible people all day every day and is so stressed he can't see a wallet for a wallet or that the man had his hands up
This I don't believe, 99.9 percent of interactions with traffic stops do not involve a need to draw a gun.

I think the problem here is overtraining on hostile situations, certainly this cop has seen that same scenario in training and has learned that a person exiting a vehicle in that manner is armed...they go thru these scenarios all the time.

I think the policeman is in the wrong of course, but I think it shows that training has bred a mentality that results in this kind of behavior.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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"Victim blaming" are buzzwords used when people want to get around the actual topic.

Could the victim have acted more reasonably given the circumstances? Yes or no?
No. It is completely reasonable to be out of your car after an accident to give information to the responding officer with or without instruction.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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Did the cop ask him to exit the vehicle?


It was a traffic accident, numbnuts
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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quote:

Stupidity, Anger, Didn't have his glasses on, Lost his mind, Hates writing traffic reports



So we agree that his mindset and decision-making was problematic. Let's address the other issues:

Stupidity as it pertains to what?

Poor vision as a result of not having his glasses on, as it pertains to what?

quote:


Hates writing traffic reports



Do you believe that it's logical to assume that he'd rather deal with a shooting that a traffic report? Does that make sense to you?


I never heard back on this.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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Did the cop ask him to exit the vehicle?



it doesnt fricking matter, this wasnt a traffic stop

The guy isnt under arrest or being detained...he called the cops to respond to a traffic accident.

are you really this fricking stupid?
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
I said get back to work!
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am to
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This I don't believe
It's not my comment. It's one of Pecker's false assumptions. Read my post again.
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:26 am to
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it doesnt fricking matter, this wasnt a traffic stop


His being shot is evidence that it does matter, at least as it relates to being shot. Unless you believe that being shot is of no consequence. Which if that's the case I don't believe we would be having this discussion.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26700 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:26 am to
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So why did he shoot the man?


I think it was because the cop was so fat. Fat people get flustered when they have to exert any physical energy. Their hearts simply can't pump sufficient blood to their brain for them to think rationally. Plus the call to respond to this traffic accident probably interrupted him stuffing his face on meal break. Never interrupt a fat arse's mealtime. You are just asking for trouble at that point.

Seriously, fat cops make me mad. Being obese should be disqualifying for the position.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Member since Sep 2006
61432 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:26 am to
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Given the circumstances
What circumstances? A routine minor accident with all involved hanging out waiting on police?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87991 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:26 am to
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I never heard back on this.
I don't have time to answer every irrelevant question you ask. Especially, the ones in response to my sarcasm.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
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Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:26 am to
this is the most fricked up thing about how this went down.

The guy in the SUV sees the cop pull up then sees the truck driver walking towards the cop

Why should he conclude that he should have remained in his vehicle after seeing the truck driver walking towards the cop and the truck driver wasn't being gunned down by the cop?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:27 am to
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He did shoot him without cause,


but that is what is debatable. he made a mistake that could have been based on bad training, eyesight, bad day, whatever...if he did it with malice he would be in jail or in the least fired.

Do you think he shot the guy thinking he was holding a gun or a wallet?
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:27 am to
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It was a traffic accident, numbnuts


Does it appear that it matters as it pertains to an officer feeling threatened (as a result of poor training, poor vision, clouded judgment, etc...)?
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