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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:27 am to Pecker
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:27 am to Pecker
quote:Sure about that? Cop said "let me see your hands" and he got shot with his hands in the air, so I'd say you're wrong there.
What the victim can control are his actions once he realizes the cop had his gun drawn.
quote:Sure, that's also not really relevant here.
Do you believe it would have been smarter to stay in the vehicle? Yes or no?
Do you believe it's probably pretty normal to stay in your car in certain situations after a minor accident, then exit your car upon the cop's arrival?
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
quote:
Do you think he shot the guy thinking he was holding a gun or a wallet?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to Pecker
quote:Did the cop ask him to stay inside the vehicle?
Did the cop ask him to exit the vehicle?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to Pecker
quote:Are you saying, again, that it's the victims fault for not assuming that the cop is automatically threatened by him leaving the vehicle?
Does it appear that it matters as it pertains to an officer feeling threatened
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to tke857
He was NOT being pulled over. He was in an accident and was waiting on an officer to arrive.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to shel311
quote:
Sure about that? Cop said "let me see your hands" and he got shot with his hands in the air, so I'd say you're wrong there.
Did he ask him to exit the vehicle with his wallet?
quote:quote:
Do you believe it would have been smarter to stay in the vehicle? Yes or no?
Sure, that's also not really relevant here.
I disagree. We're discussion actions that the victim could have taken or not taken to lessen the probability of his being shot.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Idon't think they've ever taught that for an accident, most people wait outside their vehicle, depending on the circumstances.
Seriously, when did they stop teaching people to sit in their vehicles with their hands on the steering wheel until the LEO got the the car and asked them to move?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:28 am to Topwater Trout
It's not debatable. You don't use deadly force based off an assumption. That is how innocen people are killed.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:29 am to ell_13
quote:
Are you saying, again, that it's the victims fault for not assuming that the cop is automatically threatened by him leaving the vehicle?
Well the officer had his gun drawn. Do you think it's reasonable to assume that (rightly or wrongly) the officer felt threatened? You tell me
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:29 am to Impotent Waffle
quote:
It's not debatable. You don't use deadly force based off an assumption. That is how innocen people are killed.
I think we all agree that he was poorly trained and made a poor decision. The reasons for that decision are what we are debating.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:30 am to Pecker
idiot
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:30 am to AUsteriskPride
quote:
The moral of the story, always assume the cop is ready to fire their weapon. Keep your hands in plain sight, do not present yourself with something in your hand, follow instructions and don't resist, if the cop asks for identification - tell him/her specifically where you're reaching and what you're getting, move slowly, and most importantly - if you have a gun make it known immediately and tell them exactly where it is.
The difference between getting pulled over and robbed is getting smaller every week.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:31 am to Pecker
You ignored my other posts I see.
quote:Did the driver know this as he got out?
Well the officer had his gun drawn.
quote:Are you assuming the driver should have made that assumption?
Do you think it's reasonable to assume that (rightly or wrongly) the officer felt threatened?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:31 am to Pecker
quote:Did he ask him to stay inside the vehicle?
Did he ask him to exit the vehicle with his wallet?
Again, you said this:
quote:IF he realizes this as he's getting out, how can he control it? He did what the cop said and still got shot, so how did he have any control over that once he realized the cop had his gun drawn?
What the victim can control are his actions once he realizes the cop had his gun drawn.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:31 am to shel311
quote:
Did the cop ask him to stay inside the vehicle?
He did not. As a result of poor-training. We've already assumed as much.
With a cop who is on edge and has his gun drawn do you think the victim made the best decision or should have remained in the vehicle?
Why do you think the cop shot the man?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:32 am to shel311
quote:
He did what the cop said and still got shot,
He was not asked to exit the vehicle.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:32 am to Pecker
quote:He was not told to stay inside the vehicle.
He was not asked to exit the vehicle.
The other party of the accident was not in his vehicle either, fwiw.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:33 am to Pecker
quote:Are you assuming the victim knew the cop had his gun drawn BEFORE he got out of the car?
With a cop who is on edge and has his gun drawn do you think the victim made the best decision or should have remained in the vehicle?
If so, why? Was that ever reported?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:33 am to Pecker
So poor judgment or poor vision are now a defense to murder/manslaughter?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:34 am to Pecker
If you watch the video, in actual (not sped up) time, the guy exits the vehicle uhh...poorly. It basically looks like he's trying to pull a gun, and it's awkward and I'd be alarmed if I was a cop.
That said, if they were responding to an accident, it seems bizarre the cop would have been in a position to shoot him upon this poor guy clumsily getting out of the vehicle.
That said, if they were responding to an accident, it seems bizarre the cop would have been in a position to shoot him upon this poor guy clumsily getting out of the vehicle.
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