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re: Alabama cops shoots man exiting his vehicle with his wallet
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to Pecker
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to Pecker
quote:
do you think it would have been smarter for victim to stay in the vehicle?
the cop told him to put his hands up...he put his hands up like the cop told him to
Then the cop shot him
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to Pecker
quote:Stupidity, Anger, Didn't have his glasses on, Lost his mind, Hates writing traffic reports
So why did he shoot the man?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:I was wondering about that as well, it sure seems that way.
the officer had his gun drawn before the man even opened the door
But why would he? What's the logical reason?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
See I think you're kinda missing the point here- the kid was never detained. This was an accident not a traffic stop.
Irrelevant, as evidenced by the mad being shot anyway.
quote:
I am not sure he was obligated to follow any commands as there was no lawful detainment
Of course you're not. But there's always the risk of being shot for bad reasons.
Would it have been better for him to stay in the car?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:17 am to Pecker
quote:I think it would have been smarter for the cop to not draw his weapon before the door was opened.
With that knowledge, do you think it would have been smarter for victim to stay in the vehicle?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:17 am to meauxjeaux2
I'm not defending the cops in this situation, especially since it was a traffic accident. A criminal would have fled the scene. Buttttt....people need to learn that police officers are on edge. They don't know you or your intentions. Never have anything in your hands. Don't grab your wallet or anything else without being told to do so.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:17 am to Pecker
quote:This is like you blaming someone getting in a wreck with a drunk driver. It would have been better for them staying home right?
Would it have been better for him to stay in the car?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:17 am to NYNolaguy1
No?
I don't even like having to carry a gun. Using it certainly wasn't a pleasant affair.
I don't even like having to carry a gun. Using it certainly wasn't a pleasant affair.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:17 am to Topwater Trout
quote:
of course it matters. If the cop shot him without cause he would be a fricking psycho...if he made a mistake he is just a bad cop that shouldn't have a weapon.
He did shoot him without cause, which makes him a terrible person and an even worse Trooper.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:18 am to ell_13
quote:
Stupidity, Anger, Didn't have his glasses on, Lost his mind, Hates writing traffic reports
So we agree that his mindset and decision-making was problematic. Let's address the other issues:
Stupidity as it pertains to what?
Poor vision as a result of not having his glasses on, as it pertains to what?
quote:
Hates writing traffic reports
Do you believe that it's logical to assume that he'd rather deal with a shooting that a traffic report? Does that make sense to you?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:19 am to ell_13
quote:
This is like you blaming someone getting in a wreck with a drunk driver. It would have been better for them staying home right?
That's called a false equivalence. That's not the situation we are dealing with so it's not relevant and I believe it would take us away from the topic at hand to discuss further.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:19 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:
That's why I tell my kids all the time, "cops are not your friend". They are people with guns that can shoot you at any point and claim they were scared for their lives.
Please stop doing that.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:20 am to Pecker
quote:
But there's always the risk of being shot for bad reasons.
Like getting out holding a wallet?
As someone else said, this gif is a great tool to teach the public that cops are not your friends and can and will legally kill you by making up fictious reasons as to why they were afraid.
The reason doesn't matter so long as someone believes they were actually afraid.
According to that logic if we appointed mental patients as police officers every shoot would be legal.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:20 am to Rebelgator
It's amazing to me that all officers don't need at least a four year degree.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:21 am to Pecker
quote:So you're trolling. Got it.
That's called a false equivalence. That's not the situation we are dealing with so it's not relevant and I believe it would take us away from the topic at hand to discuss further.
It's a relevant comparison because you are blaming a victim for normal behavior that resulted in something bad happening.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:21 am to shel311
quote:
I think it would have been smarter for the cop to not draw his weapon before the door was opened.
Of course it would have been smarter. The cop is guilty of poor decision-making, which we've already established.
But the victim cannot dictate the decision making of the officer outside of his direct actions as they relate to the officer. What the victim can control are his actions once he realizes the cop had his gun drawn.
Do you believe it would have been smarter to stay in the vehicle? Yes or no?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to ell_13
quote:
So you're trolling. Got it.
It's a relevant comparison because you are blaming a victim for normal behavior that resulted in something bad happening.
I'm not trolling. I've asked very simple questions.
"Victim blaming" are buzzwords used when people want to get around the actual topic.
Could the victim have acted more reasonably given the circumstances? Yes or no?
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to Elleshoe
They should.
The only people that disagree are the ones that would get fired.
Although, most require a degree for promotion.
This is one of the many reasons I went federal.
The only people that disagree are the ones that would get fired.
Although, most require a degree for promotion.
This is one of the many reasons I went federal.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to AUsteriskPride
The moral of the story, always assume the cop is ready to fire their weapon. Keep your hands in plain sight, do not present yourself with something in your hand, follow instructions and don't resist, if the cop asks for identification - tell him/her specifically where you're reaching and what you're getting, move slowly, and most importantly - if you have a gun make it known immediately and tell them exactly where it is. This applies to white, brown, black, yellow, orange people. Simple rules that will almost guarantee you're not wrongfully shot.
If the cop doesn't play by the rules, well at least you'll be alive to file that wrongful arrest claim.
If the cop doesn't play by the rules, well at least you'll be alive to file that wrongful arrest claim.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:25 am
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