re: Afrika Bambaataa, Godfather of Hip-Hop and accused child rapist, dead at 68

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We went from great black music

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Let's be honest here, what good white music is being created now?

Yup. Have always laughed at the white guys who pretended to like rap because they thought it made them look tough or screet.

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Recognizing that hip/hop isn’t actual music but rather bad rhyming to pre-made music made by others isn’t ignorance.

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I don’t know man

I think 90s and 80s hip hop is good and very catchy. Almost all modern rap is absolute shite but wouldn’t say that about actual all of hip hop

If you put on some old NWA, or even something like lose yourself by Eminem you are completely lying if you say you aren’t feeling it tingle a little down there

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at least not music being made by the person performing it.

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Boy do I have something to tell you about Michael Jackson.

There are only two godfathers of note:

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We went from great black music like the blues artists from the 30s, 40s and 50s (as well as jazz); the early rockers like Chuck, Fats, and Little Richard; the entire Motown movement all the way through the 70s with disco,pop and funk (Parliament, The Ohio Players, EW&F) just to degenerate to the talentless garbage of rap and hip-hop?

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Watch this tough guy. It makes the connection for the musical generas your talk about and the origins of hip hop...

I’m not a fan of hip hop in the least, but this song from Bambaataa (limited collaboration with John Lyndon called Time Zone) that was released in the 1980’s had a hard rock edge and was prescient .

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World Destruction:

Speak of the destruction. (x3)

This is a world destruction, your life ain't nothing.
The human race is becoming a disgrace.
Countries are fighting with chemical warfare.
Not giving a damn about the people who live there.
Nostradamus predicts the coming of the Antichrist.
Hey, look out, the third world nations are on the rise.
The Democratic-Communist Relationship,
won't stand in the way of the Islamic force.
The CIA is looking for you.
The KGB is smarter than you think.
Brainwash mentalities to control the system.
Using TV and movies - religions of course.
Yes, the world is headed for destruction.
Is it a nuclear war?
What are you asking for?

This is a world destruction. Your life ain't nothing.
The human race is becoming a disgrace.
The rich get richer.
The poor are getting poorer.
Fascist, chauvinistic government fools.
People, Moslems, Christians and Hindus.
Are in a time zone still searching for the truth.
Who are you to think you're a superior race?
Facing forth your everlasting doom.
We are Time Zone. We've come to drop a bomb on you.
World destruction, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom!

This is the world destruction, your life ain't nothing.
The human race is becoming a disgrace.
Nationalities are fighting with each other.
Why is this? Because the system tells you.
Putting people in faceless categories.
Knowledge isn't what it used to be.
Military tactics to control a nation.
Who wants to be a president or king? Me!
Mother Nature is gonna work against you.
Nothing in your power that you can do.
Yes, the world is headed for destruction.
You and I know it, cause the Bible tells you.
If we don't start to look for a better life,
the whole world will be destroyed in a time zone!

Speak of the destruction. (x3)

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I didn’t know he was a child abuser, but a tip of the cap for this classic.

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Or the vibrant culture you see today like fatherless homes, violence, drugs, poverty, no responsibility or accountability. What a wonderful pioneer for the black community.

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"The Message" from Grandmaster Flash came out in 1980, has anything changed since then?

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He was at least a highly skilled vocalist. Singing is music and Michael Jackson was a genius at it.

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And rap/hip hop is also music, and Dr Dre is a genius at it. Albeit music you don’t like. But music.




Here’s an example, listen to “I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You” by Leon Haywood. Then listen to “Nuthing But a G Thang” by Dr Dre.

Takes a small part of that song and stretches it out into a whole song and that’s one example from 35 years ago. They aren’t all simply taking one premade song and just changing the lyrics.

And the guys who are using samples are pulling from all different kinds of genres as well, especially in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.



Edit I wanna do something freaky to you is a jam in its own right too now.

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Did the music create the culture or did the culture create the music?

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I’d argue from a crime and black poverty perspective NYC in the 70s and 80s was probably a hell of a lot rougher than today. Especially with the crack epidemic.