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re: Afghan veteran in standoff with police over red flag laws in up state NY
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:25 pm to Glock17
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:25 pm to Glock17
He is now saying this was a domestic violence investigation but he also said that a deputy thought he heard a gunshot coming from there and called for backup. 
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Posted on 11/24/19 at 1:52 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Yep, this is just the beginning.
They’re already taxing ammunition into the stratosphere. Combine this with the new “red flag” laws and boom! The second amendment will still be in place, but you will not have a gun. Go ahead and lie to yourselves. Pretend that voting for the right politicians will fix this. It’s coming. It started in Europe, and has now migrated here. You better do something now and make a stand, because if this builds up momentum you’re fricked.
They’re already taxing ammunition into the stratosphere. Combine this with the new “red flag” laws and boom! The second amendment will still be in place, but you will not have a gun. Go ahead and lie to yourselves. Pretend that voting for the right politicians will fix this. It’s coming. It started in Europe, and has now migrated here. You better do something now and make a stand, because if this builds up momentum you’re fricked.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:10 pm to GREENHEAD22
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owning a 30 round magazines illegal up there? How does owning something grounds for a "Red Flag"
It’s not. This is why red flag laws cannot be supported, it gives the left an avenue for gun confiscation for no reason other than someone’s word that said you shouldn’t own guns
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:16 pm to deltaland
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It’s not. This is why red flag laws cannot be supported, it gives the left an avenue for gun confiscation for no reason other than someone’s word that said you shouldn’t own guns
While a red flag law discussion is relevant it appears they had nothing to do with this case. Domestic violence and burglary seem to be his core problems. he just cloaked them in a red flag issue to garner support, which he did.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:26 pm to Obtuse1
There’s so much to take in about this story I don’t know what to believe at this point. I certainly don’t trust the chain of events as told by police, but the credibility of this guy is lacking to say the least.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:27 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
So what is the update on this story?
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:41 pm to Chicken
Nothing new as of this afternoon, other than the statement from police that was posted earlier. I don’t believe their version of events.
What’s not been mentioned is other people did show up and gathered at a cemetery not too far from where the event took place. One guy was posting updates to his Instagram until suddenly they were deleted and his page made private. This whole story has so many elements to it, it’s hard to know what’s true.
What’s not been mentioned is other people did show up and gathered at a cemetery not too far from where the event took place. One guy was posting updates to his Instagram until suddenly they were deleted and his page made private. This whole story has so many elements to it, it’s hard to know what’s true.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:42 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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There’s so much to take in about this story I don’t know what to believe at this point. I certainly don’t trust the chain of events as told by police, but the credibility of this guy is lacking to say the least.
While my post history will show I am far from a bootlicker I am going with the police on this. I think he had legal domestic issues and a felony warrant which I think precipitated the first police at the home. The fact the wife was gone from the home and he had no firearms in his videos suggest to me there may have been a protective order, his Insta was covered with 2A memes but he had no firearms? If he had any firearms and he was claiming bugaloo we would have seen them.
I think he was in a bad domestic situation and he lied to get sympathy about an oppression that didn't exist. He is the 2A Jussie.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:46 pm to Obtuse1
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While a red flag law discussion is relevant it appears they had nothing to do with this case. Domestic violence and burglary seem to be his core problems. he just cloaked them in a red flag issue to garner support, which he did.
Has he been convicted? I honestly don't know but it's still unconstitutional to infringe on his right to bear arms.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:47 pm to Obtuse1
As with most everything I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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2A Jussie
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:51 pm to Obtuse1
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2A Jussie.
Scary if true. Lots of people advocating for the murder of police officers to “rescue” him.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:55 pm to Anonymous95
He deserves no sympathy if he played on the emotions of people concerning a very real threat to our freedom for his own benefit.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:56 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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Has he been convicted? I honestly don't know but it's still unconstitutional to infringe on his right to bear arms.
Do you have any proof that any firearms were confiscated?
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:01 pm to PrivatePublic
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What do you want? An apology from people who were lied to?
No, but I think it’s a good example of what happens in situations like this where only one side of the story is being told. Unfortunately, usually is happens to be the other way around because the police have the media to be their voice. The individual is made out to be whoever the police want him to be. This case was kinda the opposite.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:16 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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if he played on the emotions of people
We shouldn’t be giving people a pass when their emotions are so fragile that a lying guy on Instagram results in them arming themselves and seeking out a confrontation with a local PD.
Maybe Americans needed to toughen up and not be so emotional.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:19 pm to Obtuse1
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Do you have any proof that any firearms were confiscated
Where did I say they were? I just don't automatically believe what LEO & media tell me to believe. Especially considering they have contridicted themselves by claiming they went there bc a deputy said he heard a gunshot & then later said they were there for a domestic violence investigation.
I'm not saying this guy is perfect but I damn sure know that LEO are not above throwing a shite ton of charges in hopes one sticks. I don't think for a second that they would hesitate to cover their asses.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:22 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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There’s so much to take in about this story I don’t know what to believe at this point. I certainly don’t trust the chain of events as told by police, but the credibility of this guy is lacking to say the least.
Well it seems he’s the only one that’s lost credibility at this point. The cops are telling the truth and he has already conveniently left out significant events from his narrative and pushed the “red flag” narrative.
So until proven otherwise I’ll believe the cops’ description of events.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:25 pm to Anonymous95
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We shouldn’t be giving people a pass when their emotions are so fragile that a lying guy on Instagram results in them arming themselves and seeking out a confrontation with a local PD. Maybe Americans needed to toughen up and not be so emotional.
But we should give government bureaucrats a pass? I don't know exactly what transpired but I'm not going to immediately believe LEO and give them a pass just because they tell us a different story.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:27 pm to brass2mouth
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So until proven otherwise I’ll believe the cops’ description of events.
How obedient of you.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 3:28 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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immediately believe LEO
Don’t immediately believe anyone you don’t personally know. Bureaucrats or a dude on Instagram.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 3:30 pm
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