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re: Advice for Small Business owner terminating an employee
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:12 am to DeltaTiger14
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:12 am to DeltaTiger14
Got the following advice many years ago. Served me well.
Unless she is stealing, begin the process as soon as possible.
1. Tell her that she will have time to find another job - 30 days should work.
2. Yell her to take time off for any appointment that will help her in her job search - she does not need any further permission to miss work for appointments of any kind.
3. Let her use any company copying and mailing supplies she may need for her job search.
Tossing them out the door is tempting, but the price to be paid down the road can be steep.
And talk to a bona fide employment lawyer. good luck.
Unless she is stealing, begin the process as soon as possible.
1. Tell her that she will have time to find another job - 30 days should work.
2. Yell her to take time off for any appointment that will help her in her job search - she does not need any further permission to miss work for appointments of any kind.
3. Let her use any company copying and mailing supplies she may need for her job search.
Tossing them out the door is tempting, but the price to be paid down the road can be steep.
And talk to a bona fide employment lawyer. good luck.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:13 am
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:16 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Never allow a lame duck employee to remain. They will do more damage to morale and potentially to clients.
Plus they no longer identify their own success being in alignment with the success of your company.
Escort her off the premises immediately.
Plus they no longer identify their own success being in alignment with the success of your company.
Escort her off the premises immediately.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:17 am
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:24 am to Bullfrog
quote:This. Fire her and pay her thru the next pay period but don’t let her remain. You don’t need a lawyer, you’re making this too complicated. Especially if all your other employees are also BFs and you kept supporting evidence to justify the firing.
Never allow a lame duck employee to remain. They will do more damage to morale and potentially to clients
Btw, give us the juicy details - what’d she do?
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:24 am
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:25 am to OweO
quote:Need pics of the employee first to determine whether she’s worth the sexual harassment lawsuit
If you have a reason then frick her.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:28 am to Tiger Prawn
Get a go pro, a big pile of chicken wings, and a big plate of chocolate chip cookies. Put a sign on them saying “For clients only, do not touch.”
Then, let nature take it’s course. Fire her for stealing
Then, let nature take it’s course. Fire her for stealing
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:32 am to Hangit
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:34 am to DeltaTiger14
Even talking about possibly firing an AA female makes you racist.
The fact that you are white business owner with black employees makes you racist.
The fact that you think she is an angry black woman makes you racist.
It’s the years of hardships, she has faced as a black woman that made her get mad at you and you should understand and be empathetic
The fact that you are white business owner with black employees makes you racist.
The fact that you think she is an angry black woman makes you racist.
It’s the years of hardships, she has faced as a black woman that made her get mad at you and you should understand and be empathetic
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:37 am to DeltaTiger14
Just make sure you have a check ready for whatever she is owed through the day of firing so you don’t end up getting sued for penalties/atty fees for nonpayment of wages.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:38 am to carhartt
Not every black person who gets fired cries racism. And certainly not all of the ones that do file a lawsuit about it.
That’s a pretty dramatic take.
That’s a pretty dramatic take.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:50 am to DeltaTiger14
Downsize - eliminate the position.
Then when you rehire, do it under a different title.
Eliminate her title / position is the cleanest way to do this.
Then when you rehire, do it under a different title.
Eliminate her title / position is the cleanest way to do this.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:51 am to KillTheGophers
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Eliminate her title / position is the cleanest way to do this.
how in the hell are you going to eliminate the shake machine cleaner position?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:54 am to 777Tiger
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how in the hell are you going to eliminate the shake machine cleaner position?
Not needed. Shake machine is broken.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:54 am to HoustonChick86
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Just terminate her. You don't need a lawyer. This is also coming across very racist, fwiw.
This shite's not racist, it's fricking reality. The mountain of shite you have to collect to fire a black person far exceeds that to fire a white person and that's just the way it is.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:55 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Not needed. Shake machine is broken.
problem solved!! genius!!
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:55 am to 777Tiger
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how in the hell are you going to eliminate the shake machine cleaner position?
It’s always broken anyway.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:00 am to DeltaTiger14
I agree with others who have suggested deleting this post. Nothing good can come of it if litigation results from her firing.
Do you have any employee handbook or other employee guidelines that have been distributed to her along with her signature agreeing to accept and follow them? If not, simple insubordination may not be enough to fire her. Always, always, always get signatures of them agreeing in writing to employee guidelines in writing.
Do you have any employee handbook or other employee guidelines that have been distributed to her along with her signature agreeing to accept and follow them? If not, simple insubordination may not be enough to fire her. Always, always, always get signatures of them agreeing in writing to employee guidelines in writing.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:02 am to TexasTiger1185
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Not every black person who gets fired cries racism. And certainly not all of the ones that do file a lawsuit about it.
That’s a pretty dramatic take.
It's not a "dramatic take" at all. False allegations of racism have intimidated HR departments all over the country, to the point where there are "off the record" policies when it comes to the firing threshold between blacks and whites. The threshold for firing blacks is higher, it just is.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:05 am to DeltaTiger14
You should never bring. Serious matters here, ask professionals
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:07 am to DeltaTiger14
quote:tell the employee they will have to take a pay cut and/or reduced hours
Advice for Small Business owner terminating an employee
Get them to quit so that you can avoid hits to your unemployment insurance.
This is the best general advice I can offer
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:08 am to Pandy Fackler
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It's not a "dramatic take" at all. False allegations of racism have intimidated HR departments all over the country, to the point where there are "off the record" policies when it comes to the firing threshold between blacks and whites. The threshold for firing blacks is higher, it just is.
Thanks, Obama.
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