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re: Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:18 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:18 pm to lsunurse
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There are no guarantees in life. When you become a parent(either by choice or because it was thrust on you unexpectedly or accidentally)...it's not about you anymore. It's about that child and caring for and protecting that child...no matter what.
This is a good point. At any time something can happen that permanently affects a child's life..Life happens.
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What I've seen of most of the parents of disabled children....they make it work. I am always amazed at how patient and caring and loving these parents are with their children. Yes their lives are forever changed by these children....but from what I see...they wouldn't give up their child to have a more "normal life".
Have you ever come across parents who lack support for their child or was scared because they had no idea what they were going to do? Up until my early 20s I had to go to MD clinic every 6 months. There were times when the doctor would ask me to go talk to parents because they were in denial or upset, etc. I remember one time, there was this young mother who had a child who was maybe two years old. She was in tears, crying out of control because she could not get the idea that her child would not live a "normal" life.
She said she couldn't handle it, etc, etc. I told her that the life her child will live comes down to her, the parent. I told her to never let her hear her say she can't live a normal life because at that point she will become that will limit her more than anything. If she doesn't know any better and has never been told what her limits are, then she will discover her limits on her own (which will more likely not as limited as the parent assume the child is), but I am always curious about how different parents handle these situations with their kids.
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:19 pm to mahdragonz
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can't toilet themselves?
Wtf is this shite? Are you trying to say they cant piss or shite on their own? Quit trying to church it up
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:19 pm to LSUBoo
quote:No it doesn't. Believing in Gog or a god is not required to believe it is wrong to end a life.
pro life, libertarian, atheist...
That is weird, considering the first one pretty much contradicts the next two.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:20 pm to mahdragonz
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Just out of curiosity, do you know any down syndrome people who have a feeding tube or can't toilet themselves? Are they happy as their diaper fills up even when they are 35 years old?
I totally understand your point of view. I've cared for numerous children that are very disabled and will be that way their entire lives. Dependent on tube feedings and not able to control their bowel functions. And because they may be nonverbal and unable to voice to me exactly what they can comprehend...I always speak to them like any other patient. It is very sad when I think how they were cheated of having a more "normal" life.
But I've also seen these patients smile when they hear the voice of their family. I've seen them laugh at certain things. I've seen them rock back and forth when certain music is played. They are still experiencing life...even if it is in a very limited capacity. They are still humans deserving of compassion and love.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:20 pm to Salmon
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not really
I believe the unborn child has the right to life
I'm not 100% against abortion, you could come up with some very rare scenarios in which I would agree with it, but generally am 100% against 2 healthy consenting adults aborting a child
You might personally be 100% anti-abortion, but a libertarian take would be pro-choice legally.
That's how I feel at least, I am absolutely pro-choice, even though I imagine I would never choose abortion.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:20 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Exactly. Now you're starting to get it.
Can't let something like a baby get in the way of your life, right?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:20 pm to Salmon
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I'm not 100% against abortion, you could come up with some very rare scenarios in which I would agree with it, but generally am 100% against 2 healthy consenting adults aborting a child
This.
I hope that 100 years from now, the abortion era is looked back on similar to the Holocaust. It's among the worst things on the planet IMO.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:22 pm to beauchristopher
What does a down person give back to society? They make people feel good about themselves? They get to live in blissful ignorance of society's and their own problems because they are mentally incapable of doing so and by doing so lets others not worry about their own problems for a while? I would never be a 60 year old parent to a 20-30 something year old with the mental capacity of a 7/8 year old if I was given a choice. Luckily, I have that choice in this country.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:22 pm to Darth_Vader
Why do any of you think people get amnio's done? Especially older mothers.
The main thing is to check for genetic abnormalities. The main one being Downs markers.
The main thing is to check for genetic abnormalities. The main one being Downs markers.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:22 pm to SabiDojo
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Libertarianism isn't in contradiction with being pro-life.
Yeah, it kind of is. At least on a policy level.
It's in the damn Libertarian principles that government should stay out of it and that the decision should be left up to each individual.
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Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:23 pm to TigernMS12
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I would never be a 60 year old parent to a 20-30 something year old with the mental capacity of a 7/8 year old if I was given a choice. Luckily, I have that choice in this country.
would you feel the same about that choice if it were a 7 year old and had an accident?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:23 pm to TigernMS12
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What does a down person give back to society? They make people feel good about themselves? They get to live in blissful ignorance of society's and their own problems because they are mentally incapable of doing so and by doing so lets others not worry about their own problems for a while? I would never be a 60 year old parent to a 20-30 something year old with the mental capacity of a 7/8 year old if I was given a choice. Luckily, I have that choice in this country.
What do most people of average to below average intelligence give back to society? Take a look around.
Let's go into kindergarten and take out the slow kids now, at least we have more data and can probably determine their worth by that point.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:24 pm to CidCock
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I hope that 100 years from now, the abortion era is looked back on similar to the Holocaust. It's among the worst things on the planet IMO.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:24 pm to Salmon
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would you feel the same about that choice if it were a 7 year old and had an accident?
It's a great question, that you won't get an answer to
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to mailman
I'm a tad late to this, but frick no.
I tested positive for downs, my parents then took me to a different doc at a different hospital, and I once again tested positive. Both doctors suggested abortion as the best option. My parents prayed heavily, felt this was God trusting them to take care of a special needs child, and decided to keep me. Obviously, they were pleasantly surprised to find out I wasnt.
I know testing is more accurate now than many moons ago, but false positives do still happen.
Additionally, most of those I've met with downs are a source of joy for their family. Like everyone else, some have rotten personalities, but most find simple joys in almost everything, and light up the world around them.
I tested positive for downs, my parents then took me to a different doc at a different hospital, and I once again tested positive. Both doctors suggested abortion as the best option. My parents prayed heavily, felt this was God trusting them to take care of a special needs child, and decided to keep me. Obviously, they were pleasantly surprised to find out I wasnt.
I know testing is more accurate now than many moons ago, but false positives do still happen.
Additionally, most of those I've met with downs are a source of joy for their family. Like everyone else, some have rotten personalities, but most find simple joys in almost everything, and light up the world around them.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to LSUBoo
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You might personally be 100% anti-abortion, but a libertarian take would be pro-choice legally
To me the most basic right guaranteed to everyone is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
That being the case, how can anyone who claims to adhere to these principles, especially someone claiming to be Libertarian, turn around and think it's acceptable someone be denied those same rights, especially the right to life, all because they have a disability? What right do we have to deny them their rights?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to torrey225
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yeah, it's hilarious
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Why do any of you think people get amnio's done? Especially older mothers.
Did you read my post?
Amnio's are not always accurate. My post was about a woman (my coworker's sister)who had an amnio tell her she would have a baby with DS...and the baby ended up being perfectly healthy.
If she would have decided to abort because she thought the baby had DS...she would have aborted a completely healthy baby.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to LSUBoo
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It's in the damn Libertarian principles that government should stay out of it and that the decision should be left up to each individual.
I doubt many Republicans or Democrats agree 100% with their party beliefs
this is one in which I disagree
some believe in the right of the child, some don't believe an unborn child has rights...that is where we disagree
Posted on 8/11/16 at 3:25 pm to TigernMS12
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I would never be a 60 year old parent to a 20-30 something year old with the mental capacity of a 7/8 year old if I was given a choice.
What happens when your healthy son or daughter at 21 years old is in an accident that results in this?
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