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re: Abita Springs finance director under criminal investigation

Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:19 am to
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:19 am to
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According to the 2022 audit, CPA firm Ericksen Krentel reviewed the town’s credit cards and found no exceptions, meaning no problems. Collins says the questionable charges should have been easy to spot.


Reporting is already wrong.

It wasn't according to the audit. If you pull the report on Legislative Auditor website, credit cards are referenced in an AUP Report.

Local governments are required by the state to have agreed-upon procedures over various areas. One of those areas is credit cards.

Materiality is a non-factor in the agreed-upon procedures. Per the AUP Report, only 10 transactions (randomly selected) from a randomly selected monthly credit card statement were to be tested.

If none of those selected transactions were problematic, then "no exceptions" are reported.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45349 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:23 am to
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For most municipalities, $105,000 would not be material to the financial statements


This is a Bugtussle town. The only traffic light is just out of town on the way out. This is $40 for every man, woman, and child in town, or $139 per household.

This is akin to having one week per year that you and your family cannot eat because some ditchpig stole your grocery money to buy dildos.

Scale changes perspective.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:35 am to
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did she use her position to apply for a credit card through the city, but not official record it as a city cc in the records?


It reads like this one. Not sure how else they could call it a "town credit card."

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Either way, this could be a work around in the audit when they ask for a list of credit cards; this one would never show up?


This is possible, but the article doesn't go into any reasoning they used to determine the auditors should have noticed this so it's hard to say.

"All the Queen's Horses" (used to be on Netflix, may still be) is a documentary about a town clerk that pulled off a fraud in the manner you describe. It's well worth a watch.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:36 am to
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This is $40 for every man, woman, and child in town, or $139 per household.


Over a 2-3 year period. It's nothing.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:13 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:37 am to
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Per the AUP Report, only 10 transactions (randomly selected) from a randomly selected monthly credit card statement were to be tested.


Can you provide the link where you found this? I'm not familiar with how to pull LA reports like this.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3717 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:38 am to
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This is a Bugtussle town. The only traffic light is just out of town on the way out. This is $40 for every man, woman, and child in town, or $139 per household.

This is akin to having one week per year that you and your family cannot eat because some ditchpig stole your grocery money to buy dildos.

Scale changes perspective.



Materiality in a financial statement audit =/= what a citizen may think is significant.

2022 financials show $1.5 million in General Fund revenues and $1.8 million in General Fund Expenses. Credit card transactions were more than likely reported in General Fund.

The reported $105,000 in credit card fraud was over 2 years, so for sake of argument, average monthly CC Statement was $4,375.

Audit materiality for significant items could have been somewhere around $5,000, for example, meaning a credit card payment below that amount wouldn't get a second look.

Audits would never get completed if every transactions had to get reviewed.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3717 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:40 am to
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Can you provide the link where you found this? I'm not familiar with how to pull LA reports like this.


Legislative Auditor - Reports
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20696 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:47 am to
They were also limited to selecting one statement from only 5 credit cards. My small company has 4, I can only imagine how many credit cards a city would have

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Per the AUP Report, only 10 transactions (randomly selected) from a randomly selected monthly credit card statement were to be tested.

I left audit a few years before the AUPs became a thing, so I completely forgot about them. But damn, that is such a small number of transactions that if you don't get lucky with which cc report you pull, it is very easy to miss some of these charges.

And, further to your point, when looking at the transactions on the cc statement, there is no way to know where those Amazon, WalMart, Sams...deliveries are going unless you happen to select the right transaction. This report will most likely make the LLA expand the AUP to pull more CC statements and transactions; also wouldn't be surprised if they had the entity's Amazon or Wal-Mart accounts as part of a separate AUP.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6918 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:53 am to
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Audits would never get completed if every transactions had to get reviewed.

I'm not arguing your statement but WTH?? When I think of "audit" I always assumed it was every transaction
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3717 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:58 am to
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I'm not arguing your statement but WTH?? When I think of "audit" I always assumed it was every transaction


Would be nice to have all the time in the world with an unlimited budget to look through years of credit card statements like the investigative reporters to catch things like this, but audits are time and budget constrained.

Louisiana requiring those procedures has probably resulted in a lot more things coming to light than prior, but still requires some luck in sampling process to catch something like in Abita.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
1025 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:09 am to
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Audits would never get completed if every transactions had to get reviewed.


There's a wide range between every transaction and 10.

Percentage of randomized transactions would be a better way to go, with some sort of automated way to retrieve them.

This doesn't excuse the failures by the government - this was a failure all the way around.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:10 am to
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I'm not arguing your statement but WTH?? When I think of "audit" I always assumed it was every transaction


Unfortunately, reporters have led people to believe this is what happens in a typical audit. No matter how many times the profession reiterates what actually happens, and no matter how many times our audit letters say what actually happens, people don't read that stuff and just go with the common misconception from flashy headlines like this one.

Even when we run every transaction through an AI software, things like this would be skipped. AI completely overlooks anything not considered material and wouldn't care about vendor names at all unless we specifically ask it to highlight specific vendors.

Only a forensic audit would involve someone meticulously working through every transaction in a manner that would catch something like this. Those are not cheap.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:12 am to
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Percentage of randomized transactions would be a better way to go, with some sort of automated way to retrieve them.



You're right, for sure, but what does the law require for this AUP? That's a legit question, I haven't worked on an audit of a municipality in Louisiana so I don't know.

It's possible the Town only wanted to pay for the minimum required under the law, and the audit firm isn't just going to eat the cost required to do more than they're getting paid to do.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:14 am
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3717 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:27 am to
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It's possible the Town only wanted to pay for the minimum required under the law, and the audit firm isn't just going to eat the cost required to do more than they're getting paid to do.


The procedures are put out by the state and are the minimum required by the law. The procedures are pretty generalized because they are to be applied across all local governments in the state, no matter how big or small.

Any municipality can solicit an expanded AUP engagement on an area like credit cards, if they would like to, but that costs money.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20696 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Unfortunately, reporters have led people to believe this is what happens in a typical audit. No matter how many times the profession reiterates what actually happens, and no matter how many times our audit letters say what actually happens, people don't read that stuff and just go with the common misconception from flashy headlines like this one.

Doesn't help when the reporter bring on "an expert" that is a political analyst professor and he makes the implication that auditors review 100% of the transactions. If they were going to talk about the audit and not seek out someone that actually does auditing work, could they have at least brough in an accounting professor, let alone an audit professor.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11506 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:55 am to
I'd say that was a ballsey move but after looking at the pic of HER I don't think it would apply.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:56 am
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22680 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:37 pm to
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auditors only do a sample so even if they did select one of the questionable transactions she could easily cover it up with a fake invoice


Well they pick the sample from the entire population. And this is a government, credit cards have additional procedures for governments.

They should be doing analytical reviews as well that could have caught this in various ways.

The real answer is governments don’t pay well for audits and require tons of additional procedures. The only way they are even financially feasible to do is keep staff busy in the summer because they have 6/30 year ends. The firm likely mailed it in.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68769 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 1:31 pm to
Damn she was racking up at Total Wine
Posted by Tsw
Member since Dec 2020
105 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:00 pm to
From my understanding the statewide AUPs were designed to catch these transactions. The intent was to help detect fraud, waste, and abuse by forcing you to document the internal controls, and then analyzing the monthly statements based on the risk determined from the policies & procedures.

It will be interesting to see if they expand the minimum work the AUPs require. The minimum is currently fully tracing out 10 transactions per monthly statement, per credit card.
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
30405 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:04 pm to
She should have at least been shopping at Acquistapaces
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