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re: A Texas ICU nurse is hospitalized with coronavirus after testing negative
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:10 am to RB10
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:10 am to RB10
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Why would we look at others when you’ve already admitted that you will accept a diagnosis from a doctor as long as they run through the gambit of tests, despite the results of them?
well because not all results/actions may be equal? pretty simple
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On the flip side, I’ve already admitted that I don’t trust these diagnoses because of the known inaccuracies.
Right. You have already admitted that you don't trust anything that isn't 100%, which is an unreasonable position.
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If I go to the doctor with flu like symptoms, and all the tests are negative, I’m going to question it when the doctor says he thinks I have the flu. In the same situation, you’re going to take his word that you have the flu.
If the flu test is negative, but the doctor runs other tests that show positive flu markers, why would you not take the doctors word?
I honestly believe you would, despite what you pretend here.
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To each his own, but sitting there and acting like you’re right and I’m wrong when there’s no proof either way is quite ignorant.
And asking for things such as diagnosis of a novel virus to be 100% accurate in order to believe is also quite ignorant.
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Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:11 am to John88
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the tests can be wrong up to half the time
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:15 am to Salmon
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Right. You have already admitted that you don't trust anything that isn't 100%, which is an unreasonable position.
Nah. I just don’t trust anything that’s 50/50, which is exactly where we’re at right now.
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If the flu test is negative, but the doctor runs other tests that show positive flu markers, why would you not take the doctors word?
I honestly believe you would, despite what you pretend here.
Because, like COVID-19, lots of viruses can present the same symptoms. I’ll believe I’m sick, that doesn’t mean I have the flu.
Honestly, I don’t care what you think I would do.
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And asking for things such as diagnosis of a novel virus to be 100% accurate in order to believe is also quite ignorant.
Let’s just get it to better odds than a coin flip and go from there. Yeah?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:17 am to RB10
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Let’s just get it to better odds than a coin flip and go from there. Yeah?
which is literally the point of running CT scans and other lab tests
which is my entire point
more information equals more accurate results
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:19 am to John88
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"I could've required intubation if I would have waited a couple days more," Valentine said
So how exactly was she treated and why can't her course of treatment which, in her own words, possibly saved her from going on the vent, be the course of treatment for everyone?
I'm not one to say the virus is a hoax or anything, but I will say the public has been fed a bunch of bullshite to go along with the real pandemic.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:21 am to Salmon
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which is literally the point of running CT scans and other lab tests
which is my entire point
more information equals more accurate results
This doctor ran a bunch of tests that are known to be inaccurate. 1 of them showed signs of COVID-19, while the rest presented as negative.
He flipped a coin 5 times and came up with tails on 4 of them, but used that 1 heads result to declare that the “winner”.
Again, you can take his word for it. I choose not to. I’m not sure why it’s so important to you that I fall in line with your point of view.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:22 am to RB10
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This doctor ran a bunch of tests that are known to be inaccurate.
do you know the accuracy to all the tests he ran?
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1 of them showed signs of COVID-19, while the rest presented as negative.
link? we don't know the results of the CT scan nor the other tests he ran? where are you getting this from?
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He flipped a coin 5 times and came up with tails on 4 of them, but used that 1 heads result to declare that the “winner”.
Again, you can take his word for it. I choose not to.
Where are you getting this info from?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:31 am to Salmon
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do you know the accuracy to all the tests he ran?
Nope. I know none of them are particularly accurate though.
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link? we don't know the results of the CT scan nor the other tests he ran? where are you getting this from?
“Between the CT scan results indicating the virus' effect on her lungs and other lab results, Valentine said Varon told her he was certain she had COVID-19, even though her swab test had come back negative.”
We don’t know the results, but it was enough for the doctor to believe it was COVID-19 despite several other negative results.
So he flipped a coin 10 times and came up with 50/50 results. He chose to go with COVID-19. You believe him, I don’t. I‘m truly sorry that it bothers you so much.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 11:43 am to John88
People outside healthcare are arguing about this shite like it's political, but here's the bigger problem-
here's yet another nurse getting infected. I've had a couple of coworkers test positive; some hospitalized, some still ok at home right now. At least one is now in ICU.
When people talk about "not overwhelming the hospitals", there's something I think a lot of folks are overlooking:
Nurses (doctors, therapists etc) aren't hired right off the street without skill or training. You have to get that degree first.
I 100% promise you that the hospitalized cases are real, even if you think the test numbers are not correct. These people are sick.
And I also promise you that we healthcare workers will help you in that case, but it wasn't anybody's career goal to work in a contagious quarantine unit, for an extended period of time. I'm watching coworkers slowly dwindle, people are getting tired (some are burning out, some are eventually falling sick themselves like this case). And there ain't a big pool of replacements coming to take those spots. So capacity is starting to get limited.
The fix- hire more nurses...
new grads? A lot of schools didn't put new grads out, because the students had to get clinical hours in, which were cancelled this spring.
Agency/travel nurses? This disease is national, so if somebody "wants to help", they can easily find ways to do that close to home. If they're doing it for more money, then there are areas of the country that pays more than down here in Louisiana. So again, that isn't as easy as it sounds.
Work overtime/extra shifts? Ain't many that want to do that a bunch... as I said, you're getting tired, more prone to making a mistake. And you're watching as people you know and work with slowly appear on your patient list. Nobody wants to be the next one.
here's yet another nurse getting infected. I've had a couple of coworkers test positive; some hospitalized, some still ok at home right now. At least one is now in ICU.
When people talk about "not overwhelming the hospitals", there's something I think a lot of folks are overlooking:
Nurses (doctors, therapists etc) aren't hired right off the street without skill or training. You have to get that degree first.
I 100% promise you that the hospitalized cases are real, even if you think the test numbers are not correct. These people are sick.
And I also promise you that we healthcare workers will help you in that case, but it wasn't anybody's career goal to work in a contagious quarantine unit, for an extended period of time. I'm watching coworkers slowly dwindle, people are getting tired (some are burning out, some are eventually falling sick themselves like this case). And there ain't a big pool of replacements coming to take those spots. So capacity is starting to get limited.
The fix- hire more nurses...
new grads? A lot of schools didn't put new grads out, because the students had to get clinical hours in, which were cancelled this spring.
Agency/travel nurses? This disease is national, so if somebody "wants to help", they can easily find ways to do that close to home. If they're doing it for more money, then there are areas of the country that pays more than down here in Louisiana. So again, that isn't as easy as it sounds.
Work overtime/extra shifts? Ain't many that want to do that a bunch... as I said, you're getting tired, more prone to making a mistake. And you're watching as people you know and work with slowly appear on your patient list. Nobody wants to be the next one.
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