re: A sacred tenet of vegetarianism got bloodied today.

This is great news. I just received my monolith grill. Me and the fam finna eat meat on the reg

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There's some validity to the study and it's going to cause waves, but there is reason to take it with a grain of salt. The biggest reason of all is that it's an epidemiological study, which can be notoriously bad evidence if the variables are not set up properly. I want to see experts and nutritional scientists break it down, which they undoubtedly will soon.

I am not at all vegetarian or vegan. Just cautioning people before we jump off of the cliff and start claiming that red meat is a wonderful health food.

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Not an unreasonable position, but you should consider the following:

Most of the nutritional literature is predominantly epidemiological studies compromised by:

-self reporting
-researcher biases (reference Ancel Keyes defining the Mediterranean diet, which ironically if you travel there they eat meat (including processed meats)
-corporate influence $$$ (more recently)

In short, most of the nutritional literature is shite...

So

If you reference the sum total of human expereince, it appears that meat played an important role in our evolution

We are designed to eat things found in nature (animals and plants)

The current paradigm of the SAD CRAP diet consists of

Standard
American
Diet

of

Carbs
Processed
And
Refined

The ultraprocessed foods that could not be obtained in a natural environement play a big role in the problem

It is all about balance (eat plants and animals that eat the plants...)

I'm always intrigued by people who readily dismiss dietary science but willingly accept climate science. As if the two systems weren't infinitely complex and equally difficult to understand.

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Where I think you and I will mostly disagree is on the degree of which carbs play role in obesity. It's my stance that properly sourced carbs are great for us and play a large role in developing a diverse gut microbiome. Legumes/lentils, root vegetables, fruits (particularly fibrous fruits) and some whole grain breads contain prebiotics that our gut will use to develop a healthy microbiome. They can also be highly satiating and, combined with a high protein diet, can play a great role in helping people lose weight. Not only that, but if one's diet is comprised of 80-90% whole foods then we can still enjoy the ultraprocessed and traditionally "bad" foods in moderation. I'm not of a fan of total restriction of food groups, particularly with people who have demonstrated a poor relationship with food. This is my main gripe with keto and low-carb - total restriction of food groups for long periods of time will cause many people to begin restrict-binge cycles. This won't happen to everyone, but it is common in the general population that is hopping on keto. I may be using the term binge a bit loosely, but my point remains the same - no Oreos for 3 month

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I do not disagree with you (I am all about metabolic flexibility)

But

It is important to know your audience

A well muscled, active athlete will have a different relationship with carbs (nutrient/glucose partioning) than a sedentary, aging American

Most folks fall in the the latter category, but apply eating templates designed for folks in the former...

Regarding carbs:

The more obese you are, the more cautious you should be
The leaner you are, the more liberal you can be

The beautiful thing is that as a fat person gets leaner, the diet can be adapted (to make it sustainable)

Most folks do not have the personal insight to figure this out/adjust unless they are assisted by someone knowledgeable

Vegetarianism itself isn't less healthy though. There are billions data points to verify that (India).

And I'm a hardcore meat eater.

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Just like anything, it’s all about moderation.

Eating a 16oz ribeye once a week and a plate of ribs once a week with chicken and fish in between ain’t gonna hurt you.

Eating 3 24oz cowboy ribeyes a week along with burgers, fried shite, salads doused in ranch, and sugary drinks will probably cause heart issues

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I agree with this.

But this past weekend, my wife was gone from Thursday-Sunday and I had a massive ribeye 3 nights in a row with family size helpings of carbs on the side.

It was glorious.

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also in terms of fats, a new study out shows marked improvements in health markers when 50g of olive oil is added to ones diet, marked decrease in health markers when plain butter(emphasis on plain, they did not look at grass fed which has a much better fat profile). The study also showed extreme improvements when 50g of Quality MCT, aka coconut oil, was added.

The above study was not zero carb, simply having the participants adding 50g of the above to their traditional diet for 4 weeks.

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How does one add 50g of coconut oil to their diet every day? That seems like a lot of coconut oil to shoehorn into meals

But I might frickin' try it!

If one digs deep enough into the origin of studies and the “scientists” that do these studies and publish results favorable to meat and dairy industry,invariably you will find they have ties to industry.In other words,follow the money.
There is a lot of hate for epidemiological studies but it is just not possible to lock up humans and control their diets as in a double blind study which is the gold standard.
The argument that correlation is not indicative of causation is a valid argument but I don’t see any other way to do dietary studies on humans.Study large populations and their dietary habits,if one finds frequent cases of cardiovascular disease and cancer,it would seem reasonable to decide that population’s diet is not healthy.
Then there are always outliers,there are subsets of people that will thrive on diets that are detrimental to other groups of people.I guess genetic diversity accounts for this.
I don’t think vegetarianism is the only healthy diet.Humans have been eating meat for eons but it wasn’t marbled beef that went through feedlots.There was not sausage,bacon,ham-all the processed meats that are absolutely delicious but are very well associated with cancer and heart disease.
The American Indians for example ate buffalo,deer,etc and they prized the internal organs.All the offal that we throw away or feed to the dogs is the most nutritious part of the animal and somehow they instinctively knew that.They ate the meat of,course but it wasn’t loaded with marbled fat out of a feedlot ,ful of hormones and antibiotics.
There is a book-THE MAD COWBOY by Howard Lyman that changed my dietary habits some years ago.I didn’t become a vegetarian as he did,I still eat deer and wild pigs if I kill one in the winter,but I totally gave up meat from the store or restaraunts.
Dairy,I totally gave up-factory milk is just unnatural and nasty.FDA allows certain number of somatic cells in milk,somatic cells is medical term for pus.Then there is the issue of hormones in milk.
I am not advocating that people should eat what I eat,it’s a personal choice.Life is all about choice,Reap the reward or suffer the consequences.

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it is just not possible to lock up humans and control their diets as in a double blind study which is the gold standard.

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Sure it is.

shite they "lock up people" for a week for pharmacy testing. I've witnessed it.

By lock-up I mean they stay in rooms similar to really nice hospital rooms and don't leave the premises.