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re: A car dealer’s scientific guide to the 10 worst and 10 best used vehicles
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:46 am to dewster
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:46 am to dewster
My dad just traded in a 2002 2500hd chevy with 180k miles on it because it started leaking oil 
I think most people take for granted how well built most of the regular common vehicles are. I worked with a guy who had a top end mercedes and that thing was always in the shop, and he was steady bragging on how great it was.
I think most people take for granted how well built most of the regular common vehicles are. I worked with a guy who had a top end mercedes and that thing was always in the shop, and he was steady bragging on how great it was.
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Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:48 am to dewster
Land cruiser for the win! The ride is much better than the 4runner, which we also have both 2011 models. Have a 2008 Chevy Z71 Silverado and a 98 BMW 528i
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:48 am to G Vice
I like how they are more narrow again, more in line with the Lexus now. When I make it big, I plan to buy, and only one and never have to buy another car for the rest of my life... except a sports car and a an old truck for the farm. I like Hunter green for the exterior and beige leather interior 
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:56 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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My dad just traded in a 2002 2500hd chevy with 180k miles on it because it started leaking oil
I think most people take for granted how well built most of the regular common vehicles are. I worked with a guy who had a top end mercedes and that thing was always in the shop, and he was steady bragging on how great it was
Based on the stories I've heard from some friends of mine that work in an auto dealership.....some perfectly good cars are just not maintained well and have all kinds of problems that were avoidable. The type of buyer that wouldn't take care of their vehicle seem to be attracted to certain cars.
The person buying a 2002 Chevy 2500 HD or a Toyota Land Cruiser probably has a totally different philosphy on maintenance and a different level of awarness of maintenance as the buyer of a Corolla or Taurus (which are also great vehicles when maintained). The kind of person that expect 200,000 miles out of their vehicles is the kind of person who doesn't miss an oil change or brake job.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:57 am to dewster
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The person buying a 2002 Chevy 2500 HD probably has a totally different philosphy on preventative maintenance as the buyer of the Civic or Corolla
I agree with you 100%
Too bad there's not a good way to quantify it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:57 am to CAD703X
quote:true dat - wife has a 2006 sequoia with 78,000 and it is bullet proof - a little thirsty with an average of 16 mpg - big and heavy - is good!!
the wife has a 2006 sequoia..also a damn tank. i think toyota fricked the sequoia up with the 2nd gen but the first gen has a bulletproof V8.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:02 am to DadFanAlum
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Lexus ES 330 (2004). Still runs like new after 10 years, solid interior, very few problems over the years (mostly electrical/window motors).
I've never been a "brand loyalty" guy, but I will buy Lexus again for my next car.
Same here. I have 120k miles on it, and I have only had to replace a motor-mount which they did while changing the timing belt and one window-motor failure, so aside from regular maintenance, I have spent only $500 on repairs.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:03 am to G Vice
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The new Landcruisers are gorgeous
What color is yours?
Silver on black. Basically exactly like this, except I've removed the running boards:
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:04 am to Fishwater
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I like how they are more narrow again, more in line with the Lexus now.
That's the Prado, which is only sold in the US as the Lexus GX.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:32 am to dewster
You are spot on with that. I actually had an 02 Chevy 2500HD with the Duramax diesel, and am the type of owner to never miss an oil change.
Kept that truck 10 yrs. The only things that I needed replacing were the carrier bearings on the drive shaft an the idler/Pittman arm.
It was a great ownership experience........until I had to pay for replacing all 8 fuel injectors that were out of warranty
Kept that truck 10 yrs. The only things that I needed replacing were the carrier bearings on the drive shaft an the idler/Pittman arm.
It was a great ownership experience........until I had to pay for replacing all 8 fuel injectors that were out of warranty
Posted on 1/28/14 at 11:54 am to G Vice
My dad's last f250 was a 2006. He put almost 400k miles on it and did nothing but change the oil. His new one is a 2010 with 275k on the odometer. He has had to replace the radiator but has been pretty good otherwise. I don't think he would ever buy another brand of truck.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:01 pm to dewster
You see this is why I don't buy used cars because I would have to fret over where my purchases lie in either the best 10 or worst 10.
Buy new cars and I don't have to worry about reading these articles. Like I need more guilt in my life.
Seriously I can't argue with the lists. Toyota corp. makes a good auto and they tend to dominate the good list.
Buy new cars and I don't have to worry about reading these articles.
Like I need more guilt in my life. Seriously I can't argue with the lists. Toyota corp. makes a good auto and they tend to dominate the good list.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:12 pm to CAD703X
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i have a 1998 5speed 4Runner with just a hair under 300k miles on it.
other than replacing the battery and timing belts a few times, changing the oil is about all i ever do.
textbook definition of a well-built vehicle. and it still looks brand new.
I just bought a 1997 5-speed 4x4 with 143,000 miles on it for $3,500. I think it's a steal as I plan on getting to 300k with it
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:20 pm to Eighteen
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I just bought a 1997 5-speed 4x4 with 143,000 miles on it for $3,500. I think it's a steal as I plan on getting to 300k with it
insane how well a nearly 20 year old vehicle has held its value.
Why rebel groups love the hilux (4runner)
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It’s not just rebels in Afghanistan that love the Hilux. “The Toyota Hilux is everywhere,” says Andrew Exum, a former Army Ranger and now a fellow of the Center for a New American Security.
“It’s the vehicular equivalent of the AK-47. It’s ubiquitous to insurgent warfare. And actually, recently, also counterinsurgent warfare.
It kicks the hell out of the Humvee.”
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:27 pm to dewster
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A car dealer’s scientific guide to the 10 worst and 10 best used vehicles
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1. Lexus LX470/Toyota Land Cruiser
These vehicles are the automotive version of granite. They are heavy as hell, don’t age and will most assuredly squash whatever vehicular bugs and cockroaches are on the road should the Zombie Apocalypse ever take place. The Land Cruiser and LX470 are the best on our list.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:27 pm to SPEEDY
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Im sensing a theme here
Looks like the Ford years.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:29 pm to tiger94gop
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No list should leave the Toyota Tacoma of the best.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 12:29 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
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MrFreakinMiyagi
did any of you actually read his research?
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Clean cars can sometimes be traded-in at a retail price, and then financed to a sub-prime car buyer for even more money. Dealers who specialize in a given car brand are usually more effective in marketing and selling that specific name, and they also get a greater share of trade-ins from the brand — along with a better selection of clean vehicles.
To remove this bias, I decided to gather data on trade-ins sent to wholesale auctions by large used-car retailers and other regional used-car retailers that don’t cater to a single automaker. This way there wouldn’t be an over-representation of a given brand. I also employed the help of Nick Lariviere, a statistician capable of creating visuals that would make all this real-world used car data easy to understand.
One year and nearly 300,000 vehicles later, we have developed a new quality index that you can find here.
Toyota for instance
- Total vehicles reported: 26609
- Vehicles under 120,000 miles: 10064
- Vehicles over 180,000 miles: 5623
...then he goes by model in detail...
4runner
- Total: 1894
- Quality Index Rating: 5.91
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:28 pm to CAD703X
This is an interesting finding about the rate of powertrain defects in pickup trucks....which I'm sure will peak the curiousity of the OT.
LINK
What happened in 2004 to explain the rate of defects on the F150?
Why is the Nissan Titan in an upward trend right now when they are using the same engine and transmission for years?
Tundra, Silverado, and Ram appear to have far fewer powertrain defects than Nissan. None of them have changed their powertrains recently in a significant way that I'm aware of.
Total Quality index proves what I've long suspected....the C/K Chevrolet and GMC trucks from the 1990s were very good products, as is the Toyota Tacoma. LINK
LINK
What happened in 2004 to explain the rate of defects on the F150?
Why is the Nissan Titan in an upward trend right now when they are using the same engine and transmission for years?
Tundra, Silverado, and Ram appear to have far fewer powertrain defects than Nissan. None of them have changed their powertrains recently in a significant way that I'm aware of.
Total Quality index proves what I've long suspected....the C/K Chevrolet and GMC trucks from the 1990s were very good products, as is the Toyota Tacoma. LINK
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 2:37 pm to dewster
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