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re: A black man's thoughts on the Starbucks fiasco

Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:19 pm to
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I don't think they want to dictate which areas are acceptable to grow, but they want more opportunity to grow them themselves. Too much corporate influence is bad imo, because it really doesn't reinvest in the community like it should. Instead of having the newly built structures or renovated structures be leased out to a corporate box, we should encourage a small independent owner to take the spot. Less chains and more local flair is better for thriving communities imo. Take for example downtown Tuscaloosa. It has been getting gentrified for years now and is strong with small business owners. The same can be done anywhere, but you have to have the right people doing it.


Eh, corporate demonization has been overblown for years. They provide stable jobs for locals and provide lower costs for the consumer.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72196 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:23 pm to
as a white dude who wears Sean John and puts the metal gum rapper on my teeth occasionally, I couldn't agree more.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72196 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:25 pm to
close some loopholes for tax havens on random islands and there isn't much people can bitch about with big corporate America.

Unfortunately that ain't gonna happen and folks will still blame corporate America for simply playing the hand they are dealt.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17818 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:25 pm to
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I've considered going to a black church and offering to teach a group of their young men basic life skills - like shite about financing a car, making a budget, free market capitalism, but I figured that would be whitesplaining. Do I need to GTF over that?


Honestly, that would be a great idea. If I were the pastor of a church, I would probably love to have you.

If you decide to do that for real, be aware, it really depends on the minister at that specific church. Everyone is different Alot of pastors are great level-headed guys that would absolutely love to partner with you. But there are also the crooks who only care about stealing their congregation's money. Then there's the guys who hates all white people and blah blah blah(these are not the majority).

If you decide to do something like this for real. I would ask that you go in with a humble heart. Seeking to get to know the young men in their circumstances and actually listening to them. (Even if they may sound extremely ignorant or dumb) Just don't go in with the idea that "I know everything and you need me here because you all are stupid and have no hope." If they see that you are actually genuine in your approach, a lot of people will respond to that.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:29 pm to
This problem, which stems from alot of people of every ethnicity, creed, color, nationality or race, is mainly due to not having real interactions with other people. Even when people do work among different people in various capacities, they don't have a personal interaction that common ground can be built on. For instance, me becoming more centered politically was due to my interactions with my manager to whom I adore. She is the nicest christian, loving woman you'd ever won't to meet and I love working for her and give her my all daily. We became this way through personal interactions and helping each other.

The author is jaded for some reason and is taking his black pride too seriously and has allowed it to hinder his growth as a person. What he should have been doing is trying to parlay his work relationship with his bbc loving co-worker into an endless buffet of white girl experiences for himself. That's what I would have done Seriously though, Katie puts herself out there to experience different cultures while he seems to just want to stay in a safe space. Kind of odd and sad, but it is the root of his stagnant growth as a man and in life
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98750 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:31 pm to
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MontyFranklyn


Thanks for being sensible.........





and not a rahtard. It's situations like this which create this animosity; just jockying for power. You should know b/c you see it everyday on this very board - some of it warranted, other times not so much.

"Dindu" didn't come from thin air I'm sure you would agree.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:33 pm to
The ultimate irony is that the activist who posted that is a white woman that goes to Southern University.

I'm sure she doesn't see the irony that she's "invading a black space" or she has some excuse as to why it's ok if she does it.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30428 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:34 pm to
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Just make sure you have a positive encounter with someone that you cross in your everyday life. If they have negative energy just give them positive energy. If they give you positive energy just build on it.


I hear you.

Actually just yesterday I was in a cake shop picking up an order. A young black man came in. Not dressed like we would be best buds and about 20 years younger than I. But talkative and engaging.

His order came to $11.01. He had plenty of money but didn't want $.99 in change. He said, "hold on I will go out to my car."

I told the staff person "if you can't give him the penny, just put on on mine."

He looked very surprised and said "man, that makes me want to buy your cake." For a penny. A dang penny.

We laughed and then he put $12.00 on the counter and said "take the ninety nine cents off his order."

I couldn't dissuade him. He tapped me on the shoulder and left.

It was nothing in terms of money. Nothing. But it was such a hopeful encounter.

Point is that I'd like to do something, but your thoughts are encouraging.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:35 pm to
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I've considered going to a black church and offering to teach a group of their young men basic life skills - like shite about financing a car, making a budget, free market capitalism, but I figured that would be whitesplaining. Do I need to GTF over that?

(ETA: I was going to title the class, "White people secrets.")
I do this as well. Here's a big secret, how you deliver a message correlates how it will be received. It is up to them to open their minds to receive it. You're playing the same game their are playing when it comes to money and credit and there is nothing remotely racist about that. Just try to find a way to make it relate to them or bring along someone that can. Not everyone can teach and not everyone that can teach relate to all their pupils in a way that they get what is being taught.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:40 pm to
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I hear you.

Actually just yesterday I was in a cake shop picking up an order. A young black man came in. Not dressed like we would be best buds and about 20 years younger than I. But talkative and engaging.

His order came to $11.01. He had plenty of money but didn't want $.99 in change. He said, "hold on I will go out to my car."

I told the staff person "if you can't give him the penny, just put on on mine."

He looked very surprised and said "man, that makes me want to buy your cake." For a penny. A dang penny.

We laughed and then he put $12.00 on the counter and said "take the ninety nine cents off his order."

I couldn't dissuade him. He tapped me on the shoulder and left.

It was nothing in terms of money. Nothing. But it was such a hopeful encounter.

Point is that I'd like to do something, but your thoughts are encouraging.

Beautiful. Just two people having a common respect for each other. That's all it takes. You don't have to go out of your way either, but if a real opportunity presents itself just try and have a positive interaction. It may not be welcomed, but at least you tried and that's all you can do.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:42 pm to
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Thanks for being sensible.........





and not a rahtard. It's situations like this which create this animosity; just jockying for power. You should know b/c you see it everyday on this very board - some of it warranted, other times not so much.

"Dindu" didn't come from thin air I'm sure you would agree.
the term is a bit overblown now, but it was warranted in its inception.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:46 pm to
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Eh, corporate demonization has been overblown for years. They provide stable jobs for locals and provide lower costs for the consumer.

They do, but it doesn't provide any equity for the community or workers either. You and I both know that while the prices are low, the wages are low as well. Now that's not entirely the fault of the corporation. I task the work force to go out and better themselves and become equipped with skills that warrant higher wages.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30428 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Just two people having a common respect for each other. That's all it takes. You don't have to go out of your way either, but if a real opportunity presents itself just try and have a positive interaction. It may not be welcomed, but at least you tried and that's all you can do.



This has been the best thread of the year for me. Thanks so much.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96253 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:53 pm to
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If you decide to do something like this for real. I would ask that you go in with a humble heart. Seeking to get to know the young men in their circumstances and actually listening to them. (Even if they may sound extremely ignorant or dumb) Just don't go in with the idea that "I know everything and you need me here because you all are stupid and have no hope." If they see that you are actually genuine in your approach, a lot of people will respond to that.


I don't want to mislead you or Monty - I'm not your average white boy - I was the only white kid in my circle in high school. At one point, my student job was as support staff for the minority engineering students at LSU - my boss (a black lady) only seemed to hire white student workers ( ).

I've worked with, for and around black folks my whole life.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8392 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:56 pm to
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Beyond that I just don't understand why don't they have the pride in themselves to just walk away. It looks weak and pathetic. Very weak minded mentality.


#1 issue in this country. This accept everyone bullshite is dumb.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:00 pm to
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#1 issue in this country. This accept everyone bull shite is dumb.
I'd say identity politics is far worse, but this a part of identity politics. We just have to start building strong, independent people that can conquer.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:06 pm to
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Usually if you want respect, you have to give respect.


This X several million.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:13 pm to
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While I somewhat agree with this, no one is making anyone commit crimes. Them sitting there wasn't a crime in any sense of the word. Why it went down the way it did, who knows. They were told that they couldn't use the restroom unless they bought something, could've ended the entire situation by placing an order. Usually if you want respect, you have to give respect.

I honestly would like to know how the entire conversation went. I have to think that they informed the employee that they were meeting someone, could be wrong though. Situation could have been handled better by all involved.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:15 pm to
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I honestly would like to know how the entire conversation went. I have to think that they informed the employee that they were meeting someone, could be wrong though. Situation could have been handled better by all involved.


Agree completely. It's easy for us to armchair QB this. Should've never gotten to the police or arrest.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
11365 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:16 pm to
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How would an older white guy do this? Serious question.

I feel like the fringe movements of society are running the country. I'm sick about it.


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