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re: A 20-year-old armed man with a rifle, handgun and body armor was stopped by CCW Fireman
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:27 am to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:27 am to LSUAlum2001
Young buck is lucky fireman didn't blast him. Good thing he complied.
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:27 am to LSUAlum2001
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There should be a law against douchebags.
Jails would be full.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:29 am to OweO
They could probably at least get the kid for disturbing the peace. I have no doubt he will be charged with something and probably convicted. If so the fireman only stopped him in the act of committing whatever crime he will be charged with and I doubt the fireman is charged with anything. With the panic going on at the store it also wouldn’t be hard for the fireman to prove that he acted out of a reasonable fear for his life or the life of others.
If they somehow get the kid on a gun crime doesn’t the fact that he had body armor on while committing that crime add to the charges? Didn’t they do something with that after that California shootout in the late 80s / early 90s?
If they somehow get the kid on a gun crime doesn’t the fact that he had body armor on while committing that crime add to the charges? Didn’t they do something with that after that California shootout in the late 80s / early 90s?
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:34 am to PearlJam
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but he is openly and heavily armed with bullet protection on near a Walmart days after a mass shooting at another Walmart.
Being heavily armed legally where mass shootings have been none to occur sounds like a good idea
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:36 am to PearlJam
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Agreed. But doing so in the manner and location this person is alleged to have done might be.
No, he did so in a legal manner and in a legal location. I'm not saying I support what he did, I think it's beyond dumb, I just recognize it's his legal right as the current law stands.
Also going back to your yelling fire in a crowded theater example, it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison, yelling fire in a crowded theater is a deliberate statement that is known to be false and speaks to the intent of trying to incite a panic. It still would be a very hard conviction for a prosecutor to get, as there are a million ways for the defense to introduce reasonable doubt as why that person yelled fire for a reason besides trying introduce panic.
That's the problem with ever getting a conviction on inducing panic or terroristic threats or anything else, there is a 100% legal explanation for why he was armed like that... he wanted to protect himself. You could never prove the intent
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:38 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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No, he did so in a legal manner and in a legal location.
It may be legal, but if I'm shopping at WalMart with my family and see someone walk in with body armor and multiple weapons then I'm leaving the store immediately.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:41 am to SeeeeK
This thread is still going on.
My last thought is this. If Im ever in a public place such as a grocery store, movir theater, outdoor concert, etc. And i see a guy walking round with body armor and a rifle/Ar-15/ whatever large weapon in his hands. I am immediately hauling arse out of there. I do not have the time to differentiate between whether said person is a mass-murderer or some show-off gun fanatic.
My last thought is this. If Im ever in a public place such as a grocery store, movir theater, outdoor concert, etc. And i see a guy walking round with body armor and a rifle/Ar-15/ whatever large weapon in his hands. I am immediately hauling arse out of there. I do not have the time to differentiate between whether said person is a mass-murderer or some show-off gun fanatic.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:42 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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That's the problem with ever getting a conviction on inducing panic or terroristic threats or anything else, there is a 100% legal explanation for why he was armed like that... he wanted to protect himself. You could never prove the intent
Here is the Missouri statute I just found with a quick search, not sure if it is good law
574.115. Making a terrorist threat, first degree — penalty. — 1. A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the first degree if such person, with the purpose of frightening ten or more people or causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation, knowingly:
(1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or
(2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or
(3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life.
2. The offense of making a terrorist threat in the first degree is a class D felony.
3. No offense is committed under this section by a person acting in good faith with the purpose to prevent harm.
I think I could sway a jury for (1)
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:45 am to jchamil
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3. No offense is committed under this section by a person acting in good faith with the purpose to prevent harm.
And I could get an acquittal based on #3
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:47 am to LSUAlum2001
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There should be a law against douchebags
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:47 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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And I could get an acquittal based on #3
I'd take that bet in front of a jury. I don't think you are going to find many who would say he was doing this
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:48 am to rpr4695
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which laws did the armed man break?
Law of common sense and decency. If we wants go play army man with his toys he should go frick off in the wilderness somewhere.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:51 am to dfintlyHmmrd
quote:potentially. There may or may not be evidence collected as to his motive and whether he was acting in good faith.
And I could get an acquittal based on #3
Posted on 8/9/19 at 10:52 am to jchamil
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I don't think you are going to find many who would say he was doing this
I dont need many, I need one
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:03 am to Darth_Vader
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Let’s say you’re in Walmart today with your wife and kids. You round the corner and see a 20 year old dude in full body armor carrying an AR-15 with multiple magazines. You just gonna ignore him?
I'm not going to pull out my CC and detain him.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:04 am to OweO
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After 9/11... If there was a Middle eastern muslim looking man walking around with a bomb.. He is just walking around with it, never set it off.. Just walking around NYC with this bomb that all he had to do was connect and set off.. What would have happened to him?
Wow. Horrible take.
Carrying around a bomb is illegal, open carrying is not.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:07 am to Dizz
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No doubt the fireman would walk without charges or at trial. It is going to take some open carry attention seeker getting blown away to force states to re-examine their open carry laws as it comes to anything bigger than a pistol.
Shall not infringe is apparently okay if it's scary.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:09 am to slackster
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Let’s say you’re in Walmart today with your wife and kids. You round the corner and see a 20 year old dude in full body armor carrying an AR-15 with multiple magazines. You just gonna ignore him?
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I'm not going to pull out my CC and detain him.
What would you do?
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:10 am to GetCocky11
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What would you do?
I'd leave. I'm not stupid.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 11:11 am to slackster
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What would you do?
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I'd leave. I'm not stupid.
lol, ok. I just wanted to ask because these threads always have those people who would say "I'd ignore him because it is his right to carry all of that."
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