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re: 99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:48 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:48 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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The faster we contain the virus, the faster we get back to normal. A quarantine is the fastest way to get through this thing
I agree with you, but we haven't went quarantine yet
we should have either went all in or done nothing
these half measures are not going to do anything but kill businesses
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:50 am to Salmon
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are we sure?
No, but going off of the fact that we do have relating to the spread of this disease it's more likely that this will get it better quicker. That's why the government is doing this in the first place. Trump's #1 priority is the economy, and he is implementing a lot of these things. Do we now thing Trump is a bad businessman?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:50 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
Given the majority of deaths are people over 60, how is it surprising that they've had 3 prior illnesses?
Hell, 3 prior illnesses seems low for most people at 50, let alone 60. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:50 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:51 am to TheHarahanian
Not really that reassuring when you consider over half of adults in the United States can be diagnosed with High Blood Pressure, Fatty Liver or Diabetes. It's a great spin but its not saying everyone was on the verge of death anyway. Just makes people feel better.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:51 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Do we now thing Trump is a bad businessman?
no which is why I think most of these restrictions will be lifted sooner rather than later despite what the numbers look like in a few weeks
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:51 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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More than 75% had high blood pressure
I went ahead and dug around since I found this interesting.
US adult hypertension rate = ~33% LINK
Italy adult hypertension rate = ~55% LINK
However, Germany has their adult hypertension rate at 55% and they seem to be handling this well. German Hypertension Rate Source
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:52 am to Salmon
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these half measures are not going to do anything but kill businesses
I just got a work e-mail saying we're going the same route as New York and California. Only non-essential personnel. I normally don't believe these things, but it was from my boss. FYI
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:54 am to SCLSUMuddogs
my point is that if we are truly serious about slowing this thing down, we would have shut everything down 2 weeks ago
if you want to contain the spread, you shut shite down before your first case
I'm saying that we were 2 weeks too late and now all we are doing is harming business
if you want to contain the spread, you shut shite down before your first case
I'm saying that we were 2 weeks too late and now all we are doing is harming business
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:54 am to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:But you were implying that obesity is linked to the CV19 death rate, but there is no evidence of that.
Nor did I reference the article. I didn't need to, to make that comment, it's common sense.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:56 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Most of Italy is filled with old buildings that are full of mold. There is also no environmental protection laws that deal with car emmisions.
Alot of Italians have respiratory issues. If you visit Italy for a period of time. You are almost guaranteed to have some type of respiratory issue when you leave.
Alot of Italians have respiratory issues. If you visit Italy for a period of time. You are almost guaranteed to have some type of respiratory issue when you leave.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:56 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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But you were implying that being obesity is linked, but there is no evidence of that.
No, I said obesity is an underlying health condition, which it is. I also implied that those with underlying health conditions are more at risk, which is also a very true fact.
Again, common sense
Posted on 3/20/20 at 10:57 am to SCLSUMuddogs
The stocks went down in anticipation of the government taking lockdown measures. And those stocks will go back down as more and more Americans are stuck at home with no way to pay for rent or food, much less spend disposable income.
Despite whatever you may believe, there will be a decision point where x number of lives lost is acceptable compared to y amount of economic impact. Figuring out exactly who and how many people are dying is part of that.
ETA two weeks of wait and see is smart. 2 months of shutdown is not sustainable.
Despite whatever you may believe, there will be a decision point where x number of lives lost is acceptable compared to y amount of economic impact. Figuring out exactly who and how many people are dying is part of that.
ETA two weeks of wait and see is smart. 2 months of shutdown is not sustainable.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:03 am to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:Hangnails are an underlying health condition.
No, I said obesity is an underlying health condition, which it is. I also implied that those with underlying health conditions are more at risk, which is also a very true fact.
Again, common sense
You are doing the equivalent of declaring: "I have a bird on my head, my argument is valid"
The article specified what underlying conditions are related to CV19 deaths.
There is no evidence that hangnails are related.
There is no evidence that obesity is related.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:11 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Bruh, have you been reading the news? There are countless articles about how obesity is big deal when talking about this virus
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Those are all just from the past 2 days, there are dozens of them
"They have seen rising levels of obesity and illnesses such as Type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure, as well as an increase in heart disease and some cancers. These are strongly associated with poor outcomes from coronavirus infection."
"Obesity, which has increased in prevalence for all Americans, is also considered a risk factor for the coronavirus, experts say"
"According to unpublished data provided by Italian doctors, one of the major risk factors for admission to intensive care is obesity."
"A full list of those classed as more at risk has been issued. They include:
aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
- chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
- chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
- chronic kidney disease
- chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
- chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson's disease,motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, a learning disability or cerebral palsy
- diabetes
- problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
- a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
- being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
- those who are pregnant"
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Those are all just from the past 2 days, there are dozens of them
"They have seen rising levels of obesity and illnesses such as Type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure, as well as an increase in heart disease and some cancers. These are strongly associated with poor outcomes from coronavirus infection."
"Obesity, which has increased in prevalence for all Americans, is also considered a risk factor for the coronavirus, experts say"
"According to unpublished data provided by Italian doctors, one of the major risk factors for admission to intensive care is obesity."
"A full list of those classed as more at risk has been issued. They include:
aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
- chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
- chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
- chronic kidney disease
- chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
- chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson's disease,motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, a learning disability or cerebral palsy
- diabetes
- problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
- a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
- being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
- those who are pregnant"
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:20 am to Open Your Eyes
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more and more data comes out that shows this thing is just slightly more severe than the flu.
You and I have vastly different definitions of "slightly".
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:33 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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If this thing pops,
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I mean really pops
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potentially devastating consequences
this is why I think you and everyone like you is full of shite. Everything is based on "if" and "Could be" or "potentially". Yet nothing anywhere is proving this to be the case.
So I'm supposed to accept your "ifs", "could bes" and "potentiallys", but mine suggesting the opposite are absolutely wrong?
frick you sky screamer. Go live in s bubble and become poor so I can live outside of one and try to make a living.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:40 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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If this thing pops, I mean really pops, we're talking about potentially devastating consequences to out economy.
So we should just skip a step and impose definitely devastating restrictions on the economy despite only having access to very inconclusive and self-selecting mortality data?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:40 am to goofball
Americans are fat as frick and generally unhealthy people. I think it's a bit naive to think we're any different than the Italians.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:51 am to tigerinthebueche
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this is why I think you and everyone like you is full of shite. Everything is based on "if" and "Could be" or "potentially". Yet nothing anywhere is proving this to be the case.
So I'm supposed to accept your "ifs", "could bes" and "potentiallys", but mine suggesting the opposite are absolutely wrong?
frick you sky screamer. Go live in s bubble and become poor so I can live outside of one and try to make a living
You must have more experience living under a pandemic if you aren't using words like "if" and "potentially" because no one knows how this will progress with absolute certainty.
Am I approaching this situation with caution? Of course I am, and so should everyone
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 12:00 pm
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