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re: 80th anniversary of the first atomic bomb
Posted on 8/6/25 at 11:48 am to Telecaster
Posted on 8/6/25 at 11:48 am to Telecaster
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Japan never would have surrendered otherwise.
Or at least that is the official narrative that makes those involved feel better
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Posted on 8/6/25 at 11:53 am to Cuz413
Posted on 8/6/25 at 11:57 am to Cuz413
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Or, at least that is the official narrative…
Did you know that the Purple Heart medals awarded in the Korean War and the Vietnam War (thirteen years of wounded in combat) were from production in 1945 preparatory to the invasion of Japan in 1946?
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:14 pm to beachdude
Can you just imagine the reaction in this nation if we'd invaded Japan suffered horrible causalities and then it's disclosed we had a weapon that could have prevented all of that.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:39 pm to bigjoe1
Germany was lucky the war ended there before we had the bomb ready to go.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:44 pm to bigjoe1
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Victory in the Pacific
Was aired last night on “American Experience” on the eve of the anniversary. Great, great documentary with incredible archival footage, as I’m in my 50’s and had the pleasure of knowing many of the greatest generation before they left this mortal coil. The level of hate and animosity that existed between the opposing forces in the Pacific is unfathomable to those 40 & under, but I’ll tell you it was a real palpable experience.
The documentary has actual excerpts from Truman’s personal diary, and the intelligence and war strategy, domestic politics of both factions, and the unwavering sentiment that nothing less than total unconditional surrender was stomachable to the American people after the atrocities committed across the Pacific theater by the empire of Japan.
In the end, Japan completely miscalculated and had no idea of the reality of the Atomic apocalypse staring them in the face
Victory in the Pacific
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:56 pm to bigjoe1
Casualty estimates vary significantly. Between 110,000 and 210,000 dead by the end of 1945 from the two bombs. There were also long-term effects like increased rates of leukemia and other cancers among survivors. The vast majority of casualties were civilians, not soldiers. Let’s not be so callous. It was a great tragedy. Pray that it never happens again ??
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:59 pm to bigjoe1
My Dad fought in WWII on a carrier in the Pacific. I remember him saying he emailed one of the pilots on the plane that dropped the bomb and thanked him for doing so. He said it had to be done. That's from someone who was on the front each day and saw what happened. He saw and experienced things most of us would have no clue about.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:59 pm to bigjoe1
The hottest temperature ever recorded in Japan was 80 years ago today
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:02 pm to Darth_Vader
My father was in the 5th Marine Division and survived the Iwo Jima campaign. He was in Hawaii waiting on orders when the bomb was dropped.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:33 pm to bigjoe1
The Japs got a little of what they deserved. Complete savages.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 6:26 pm to Palo Gaucho
We visited Hiroshima in April this year and went to the Peace Memorial Museum, Park and Atomic Bomb Dome (among other places).
The Dome I believe is the only building left from the atomic bomb detonation. It stands as a memorial.
A rendering of the building before it was destroyed.
View from the park.
Museum entrance-it was packed...
Scale model of Little Boy
Replica Clock
Deformed glass from the explosion
Picture of the mushroom cloud
Picture of the town after the explosion
Tons of other pictures and exhibits in the museum. But nothing on why we dropped the bomb(s) or the aggression of the Japanese in the Pacific theater.
The Dome I believe is the only building left from the atomic bomb detonation. It stands as a memorial.
A rendering of the building before it was destroyed.
View from the park.
Museum entrance-it was packed...
Scale model of Little Boy
Replica Clock
Deformed glass from the explosion
Picture of the mushroom cloud
Picture of the town after the explosion
Tons of other pictures and exhibits in the museum. But nothing on why we dropped the bomb(s) or the aggression of the Japanese in the Pacific theater.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:19 pm to bigjoe1
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Can you just imagine the reaction in this nation if we'd invaded Japan suffered horrible causalities and then it's disclosed we had a weapon that could have prevented all of that.
I'll bite, why would we need to invade via infantry?
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:40 pm to Cuz413
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I'll bite, why would we need to invade via infantry?
How the hell else would the allies invade?
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:48 pm to bigjoe1
The two bombs at worst prevented large future wars and at best saved the world.
Say no one ever developed the bomb. There would have been multiple deadly wars between large nations over the last 80 years.
Or, say we defeat Japan and didn’t have to use it. Sometime over the next 80 years either us or Russia would have gotten pissed and curious and started Armageddon.
Say no one ever developed the bomb. There would have been multiple deadly wars between large nations over the last 80 years.
Or, say we defeat Japan and didn’t have to use it. Sometime over the next 80 years either us or Russia would have gotten pissed and curious and started Armageddon.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:50 pm to DanielBooned
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The hottest temperature ever recorded in Japan was 80 years ago today
It's actually hotter than the surface/core of the Sun.
Fun fact: About 3 lbs of uranium actually underwent fission, meaning three lbs of uranium produced the equivalent of X kilotons of TNT (figures vary a bit there).
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:52 pm to wareaglepete
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The two bombs at worst prevented large future wars and at best saved the world.
Say no one ever developed the bomb. There would have been multiple deadly wars between large nations over the last 80 years.
Or, say we defeat Japan and didn’t have to use it. Sometime over the next 80 years either us or Russia would have gotten pissed and curious and started Armageddon.
Once the nucleus of atoms was discovered, the bomb was inevitable. Though, once the Scientific Enlightenment started, all scientific discoveries are somewhat inevitable.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:52 pm to bigjoe1
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How the hell else would the allies invade?
By August 1945, the US had air space dominance over all of Japan. Fire bombing raids destroyed the majority of something like 60 cities and left hundreds of thousands homeless.
We could have just continued these raids on ports and other infrastructure until they surrendered.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 7:53 pm to Cuz413
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By August 1945, the US had air space dominance over all of Japan. Fire bombing raids destroyed the majority of something like 60 cities and left hundreds of thousands homeless.
We could have just continued these raids on ports and other infrastructure until they surrendered.
Might want to read a little about the Japanese mindset. But it's the internet - we're all experts.
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